Mason Clark wrote: How about this discussion: the green revolution will demand a great deal of work. For example, planting forests; developing green agriculture, saving soil, saving forests, preserving genetic variety, reducing use of chemicals of all kinds; rebuilding housing; replacing pollutional, fossil-based transportation; and on and on ----- restoring rivers, moving off of flood plains, moving out of earthquake zones, ---- there's no end --- renewable energy sources --- These productions, social in nature, need to be done. Some simply MUST be done. Is there to be surplus value? Who cares? Get the work done. There's too much the impression that green means "shut it down". Stop cutting the redwoods in California is an example. Stop cutting means more, not less jobs. What's needed is replanting and nurturing of forests. Not trees by the millions. Trees by the billions. Check the numbers. Lot's of work. Even profits for nasty capitalism. Or let the govt do it if you prefer. Either way its employment, employment, employment. No more idle hands for the devil. __________________________________________________________________________ Again, M> Clark exibits a basic misunderstanding of Capitalism. The ONLY goal capitalist production is to make profits. It is NOT to create employment. No one on this list (or off it for that matter) would disagree that there are lots of necessary JOBS to be done in the world. Adding a list of Green jobs just expands the list. The only problem, which glevy alluded to in his short post, is that very few of these, esp. the green jobs, are profitable. So the concept of Green Capitalism is an oxymoron. B. Mitchell (whose posts, except for those on France, I generally agree with, responded to glevy's post with a list of mechanism that would force a capitalist economy to function in a more Green friendly manner, by reducing the profitability on less-Green production. Many of these mechanisms might work, IF they were implemented on a global scale. Other wise, they would just lead to more capital flight. But more importantly, on the political level, it is about as likely that these measures could be implemented under capitalist controlled govts as it would be to overthrow captialism itself. So the latter strategy would be preferable. Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
