Re: : withering away of the state

[Doug Henwood]

Charles Brown wrote:

>Actually, isn't it a big part of our problem that what _most people_ DO mean
>by "socialism" what they had in the USSR? --jks
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>CB: This is a problem for you because of your utopianism. Marx 
>predicted that the Paris Commune would be a folly of dispair, but 
>also knew that it was the beginning of actual socialism, with all 
>its faults, and advanced his theory of socialism based on it. 
>Similarly , the USSR to the 20th power.

Wait a minute. A model that failed and which is now held in almost 
universally low regard - you may not like that, but it's a fact - is 
the basis of a future socialism? Justin may be a utopian, but you're 
a dystopian then.

Doug