>>> Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/20/00 09:02AM >>> >>> Brad De Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/22/00 12:55PM > Sam, look it. You fucked up, and you fucked up royally. Admit it, and go on from there. The question you must ask yourself is why did you feel it necessary to make a big thing out of a tautology that no one denies -- that sexual relations are necessary for human reproduction. -clip- _________ CB: Sam probably felt he had to say this because even though it is a tautology, many on these lists treat this tautology as a triviality, unimportant in understanding human history and society, and especially the social relations between women and men. This tautology is often treated as unimportant or "uninteresting" as compared to other factors, especially in post-modernist anti-essentialist discourse. This is the error of thinking that because social relations and culture are important in shaping human history and society, much more important than in other species, that nature or natural causes have no importance or no interesting importance in shaping human beings. Nobody denies that sexual relations are necessary for human reproduction, they just chastise and mock anyone who includes this necessity in discussion of ...well just about anything on these lists. It is sort of a new taboo on talking about sexual relations between women and men. CB