JC:
Dear pen-l ers,
I will not clutter up the airwaves any more responding to this RD. I
guess I was tired and didn't see the sarcasm in that "reference" he
gave and I was honestly trying to carry on a dialogue--and yes I
reiterate he is ignorant on Indian history, affairs etc. Still not
one reference to any actual published works supporting his
position--now just a reference to "anthropologists" (what Indians
call career grave robbers in many cases).
But there is a lesson in all of this. Would anyone who is a teacher
or researcher on this net allow students or publications to go with
no references to published works to be coupled with blanket
assertions.
RD: I am the only one who has put some facts on the table - about
the one point I questioned you about: did N.American Indians
formed a civilization before Mesopotamia? You have given no facts except a
list of books.
JC:
I don't have the time (no scanner either) to reprint detailed
responses with data and supporting argument so I can only cite the
references that I have used and invite those who are interested to
examine them and then invite counter evidence and argument--as I have
done.
RD: I have little time myself yet you expect me to read 10 books when
you cannot even give me a single counter fact to what I said (which,
I insist, is common knowledge).
JC:
I wish some people could take a little tour through Indian Country
and see with your own eyes the horrible damages done by these
self-styled pontificators (with no formal research or experience) and
self-styled "Indian experts" in Indian country. The so-called generic
"anthropologists" have been the worse (often in service of
land/resource grabbers, BIA and other forces intent on the
destruction of Indians, and all for their bloody CVs, promotions,
tenure etc).
RD: Ok, Craven, if it fits your political goals, let's say N.
American Indians did evolve into a state organized society.
JC:
So I took it as a serious inquiry. This individual is obviously
interested only in as Michael E put it, "a pissing contest"--he got
one part of the exchange correct. So I'll just leave it at that and
chalk up another arrogant and abusive racist and dilettante (excuse me,
"generalist") not worth even one second of my time to read or respond
to.
RD: Don't be so paranoid. If everyone is a racist, why
did the B.C government agreed to the Nisga'a Treaty?
ricardo
The same applies to those who find me offensive. There is a delete
key on the right hand of the keyboard and do the same with my
missives. That way, those who want to read and respond do so and
those who don't, just don't respond--eventually they will go away or
for those who wish the same for me, I'll just go away.
It is the "marketplace" of ideas.
Jim Craven
James Craven
Dept. of Economics,Clark College
1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863
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"The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and
property shall never be taken from them without their consent."
(Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789)
"...but this letter being unofficial and private, I may with safety give you a more
extensive view of our policy respecting the Indians, that you may better comprehend
the parts dealt to to you in detail through the official channel, and observing the
system of which they make a part, conduct yourself in unison with it in cases where
you are obliged to act without instruction...When they withdraw themselves to the
culture of a small piece of land, they will perceive how useless to them are their
extensive forests, and will be willing to pare them off from time to time in exchange
for necessaries for their farms and families. To promote this disposition to exchange
lands, which they have to spare and we want, for necessaries which we have to spare
and they want,we shall push our trading houses, and be glad to see the good and
influencial individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these
debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off
by cession of lands...In this way our settlements will gradually circumscribe and
approach the Indians, and they will in time either incorporate with us as citizens
of the United States, or remove beyond the Mississippi.The former is certainly the
termination of their history most happy for themselves; but, in the whole course
of this, it is essential to cultivate their love. As to their fear, we presume that
our strength and their weakness is now so visible that they must see we have only to
shut our hand to crush them..."
(Classified Letter of President Thomas Jefferson ("libertarian"--for propertied white
people) to William Henry Harrison, Feb. 27, 1803)
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