[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >what are you trying to prove with your insults Doug? are you implying the >impossibility of a socialist agenda? who is fantasizing here? Ok, so you don't have any idea what changes are necessary in the actual structures of production and consumption. All that's required is loyalty to Marx and a critical attitude. That's pretty much what I suspected, but it's good to see my suspicions confirmed. Oh, and solving the population problem? When people are happier they'll have fewer babies. Population growth is virtually 0 in Western Europe, but Western Europe is only a bit more ecologically sustainable than the U.S. But is a growth rate of 0 low enough? Could we feed and house 6 billion people if we all spent our time searching for "Jack-in-the-Pulpits or fishing for pickerel"? That kind of rural leisure is available to someone living in a rich country; in a poor country, you'd be more likely tilling the soil or grinding corn from dawn til dusk. These apocalpytic imaginings aren't serious politics, they're just lurid fantasies. Doug