[PEN-L:2271] Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Junk Science

[Rosser Jr, John Barkley]

Ken,
     "Always" is way too long.  I think the term 
"libertarian" did not exist prior to the late 1950s, being 
the invention of right-wing anarhist types who were upset 
that "liberal" in English had lost its old libertarian 
meaning in the English-speaking countries.  Anarchist is 
the old term, and were originally mostly of the left-wing 
variety, although today they are at least as likely to be 
right-wing libertarians.
Barkley Rosser 
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:19:02 -0600 Ken Hanly 
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> As I recall, anarchists have always referred to themselves as "libertarians".
> Anarchists of all stripes have traditionally been leftist opponents of capitalism
> and Chomsky is himself a type of anarchist libertarian. Only in the last few
> decades has the term "libertarian" been associated with right wing pro-market
> views such as those of the  anarchist economist  Rothbard or the non-anarchist
> Nozick. The libertarian tradition was overwhelmingly leftist in orientation.
> Unfortunately, the term is now associated with right-wing views.
>    Cheers, Ken Hanly
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 1/17/99 11:03:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << Subj:         [PEN-L:2233] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Junk Science
> >  Date:  1/17/99 11:03:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >  From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
> >  Sender:        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  Reply-to:      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  To:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >  >For myself, noting and agreeing with the assertion of the  general function
> > of
> >  >institutions like MIT in capitalist society and as instruments of expanded
> >  >reproduction of that system, a few like Noam Chomsky do slip through and
> >  >manage to survive.
> >
> >  It was explained to me once that at MIT, Chomsky is thought of as the
> >  Einstein of linguistics, a scientific giant. His politics are marginal to
> >  that reputation - just a personality quirk I guess.
> >
> >  Doug >>
> >
> > Yeah Doug, it is amazing what is considered central and what is marginalized.
> > I for one, consider some of Chomsky's politics to be an applied extension of
> > some of his work in linguistics or at least not contradictory with some of his
> > theses in linguistics. Certainly some of his work in linguistics guided some
> > of his work on the political economy of the media under capitalism--on
> > symbology, on class-interests and paradigms embodied in the rhetoric, syntax
> > and loaded language of the media, etc. Also some of Chomsky's deconstructing
> > the deconstructionists and some of his stuff on pomo I have seen seemed to be
> > guided by some of his work in linguistics.
> >
> > Although I disagree with Chomsky on the term "left libertarian" which I
> > believe is an oxymoron, no doubt that he has added richly and significantly to
> > the study and documentation of the ugly and varied dynamics, instruments and
> > consequences of imperialism and in his case, there is at least one example
> > where tenure might protect competence instead of incompetence.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >   -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: [PEN-L:2233] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Junk Science
> > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:50:22 -0500
> > From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >For myself, noting and agreeing with the assertion of the  general function
> > of
> > >institutions like MIT in capitalist society and as instruments of expanded
> > >reproduction of that system, a few like Noam Chomsky do slip through and
> > >manage to survive.
> >
> > It was explained to me once that at MIT, Chomsky is thought of as the
> > Einstein of linguistics, a scientific giant. His politics are marginal to
> > that reputation - just a personality quirk I guess.
> >
> > Doug
> 
> 

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Rosser Jr, John Barkley
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