Ricardo Duchesne wrote:

> The supply of cheap capital from the colonial trade was not the only 
> crucial  factor giving Europe (E) a chance to overcome its marginal 
> position in the world economy. Another one was E's high wages relative to 
> Asia's low wages. E's comparative wage-costs were such 
> that they could not compete in the world economy (as Asia was "much 
> more productive with much lower wage costs"), so E was motivated 
> to introduce labor-reducing machinery. A decision which Europeans 
> did not make because they were more "rational" or advanced but 
> because they had different relative factor (capital/labor) prices. 
> That is, for Frank, the "real explanation" for E's industrialization 
> does not lie in any "internal" superiority but in E's differential 
> comparative costs *within* the world economy. 
> 

    I   have found the postings on Frank's book fascinating. I 
haven't myself yet had time to do more than browse a bit of Frank's 
book and check  a reference or two, but the I am saving the various
comments on Frank's book for later restudy. Meanwhile, I would like
to raise one point.

     It would seem  that Frank's logic ignores the obvious question: 
why, if Asia really was  wealthier per capita than Europe, were the 
wages so much lower in Asia? I was checking into the 1700 figures 
cited by Frank, and his reference to Braudel. These figures, if I 
recall right,  claim that per capita England was a bit less wealthy 
than France, which in turn was somewhat under India. However, in 
checking the reference for these figures to Braudel given by Frank, 
it turns out that Braudel also claims that, around 1700,  wages in 
France, although they were substantially less than those in England, 
were *six times* higher than those in India at this time. Frank
recognizes lower wages in India, and apparently cites the same
reference for this as used by Braudel, but doesn't seem to cite *how
much* lower they were (maybe I missed it), and tries --  rather 
feebly, it seems to me -- to explain away most of the significance of 
this.  

      So what's the significance of all this? Frank's argument at 
base seems to treat the wage difference as not an internal 
factor, but simply a question of "comparative cost" in the world 
market. But the more obvious issue is: if the wages are so much lower 
in a country that is supposedly just as wealthy, if not more so, as 
the country with higher wages, then doesn't this strongly suggest 
that there may be internal differences in the class relations in 
these countries? 

        It seems, in their struggle against "stage-ism", "Eurocentrism", 
etc. , various theorists have given up any serious consideration of 
 of the internal factors.  Instead there is recourse in Frank's book 
to the crudest factor of all--just compare  societies by wealth per 
capita. (By the way, wouldn't these be very speculative figures 
with respect to these economies of centuries ago? How does one get 
such a figure? I really am curious about this. My guess is that 
various calculations must depend on first making assumptions about 
the economy of the country, and then extrapolating very, very partial 
data to the whole country.) The fact that  the wealthier society may 
have incredibly lower  wages doesn't seem to faze these theorists at 
all.

--Joseph Green



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