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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:38:45   Louis Proyect wrote:
>The latest Science and Society has an interesting article (Rhetoric and
>Substance in Value Theory: An Appraisal of the New Orthodox Marxism) by
>editor Dave Laibman. It is a response to one written by Andrew Kliman and
>Ted McGlone titled "A New Interpretation of Marx's Value Theory" that lays
>out a purportedly rigorous and mathematical defense of "orthodox" Marxist
>value theory. 



I don't think you understand the critique by Kliman,McGlone and other TSS authors.  
Their work is not a defense of "orthodox Marxist value theory" but a radical break 
with it.  In fact, I see their critique to be so destructive of what we know as 
Marxist economics that their views have for the last twenty years being reppressed by 
the Marxist orthodoxy.  Ironically, the marxist orthodoxy represses and opposses the 
only interpretation of Marx's value theory which is able so far to reproduce most of 
Marx's value theory results and propositions.  Their work shows that the famous "labor 
theory of value" of Marxist economists can not duplicate Marx's main proposition 
because it adopts in its methodology a particular notion of value which is different 
than Marx's.  I see their main point as saying that the Marxist orthodoxy has adopted 
a concept of value different from Marx's starting with Bortkiewicks first 
formalization of the transformation problem and later on with the same meth!
odolgy applied by Okishio to refute Marx's theory of the falling rate of profit.  
TSS'ers just show that these critiques of Marx's value theory are based on a notion of 
value which is not based on value being determined by labor time.  Laibman on the 
other hand supports the orthodox interpretation of the transformation problem provided 
by the neo-ricardian Bortkiewickz and rejects Marx's methodology of the falling r by 
accepting instead Okishio's theorem.  So Laibman is supporting the old methodology 
that says that poor Marx was mathematically iliterate and could not figure out how to 
transform values into prices and rejects what Marx considered the main law of 
capitalism that the exploitation of labor lead in its desperate desire to obtain 
surplus value to recurrent crisis expressed as a falling rate of profit, as Shaikh 
will say, the system keeps on suffering unavoidable heart attacks!!

So, David Laibman is a critic of Marx who rejects his main propositions regarding his 
value-based analysis of capitalism while TSS'ers provide a new methodolgy in which 
Marx's results are reproduced.  I see this as a welcome theoretical advance.  If 
people reject these new advances in Marxist theorizing it is because either they don't 
yet understand it or they reject it for ideological reasons.  In the case of Marxist 
economists I suspect it is for ideological reasons and it is understandable since the 
TSS methodolgy basically implies that their concept of value is not Marx's which means 
that they will have to accept that they have been wrong all along and who wants to 
throw a reputation and a career out of the window overnight!!  I think the new 
generations of students (at least the ones I know at the New School) have no problem 
acceting the new theoretical advances by TSS authors which finally takes Marx out of 
the straight jacket that Marxian economics forced him into, sinc!
e it provides us with a whole new armament of theoretical tools allowing us to keep on 
unveiling fetishistic conceptions of our exploitative societies deeply rooted in our 
repressed concioussnes.

Fabian






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