I agree that welfare state capitalism was not on the agenda in the ex-bloc states, but 
that does not mean that state ownership that is basically welfdarist is socialist any 
more than social democracy is socialist.

In a message dated Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis Proyect 
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LP:
Unfortunately social democratic capitalism was not on the agenda in the
Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, . . . 

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