At 13:41 02/04/01 +0000, you wrote:

>I don't get the title of this thread. It's not like the US and China are 
>inches away from
>a "hot" war the way the US and the USSR were for decades. And even then, 
>there were lots
>of similar incidents between them that didn't start the nukes flying...

Well that was what was so remarkable about the way the news was broken on 
Sunday morning. A slight stumble between friends on a weekend spin side by 
side over the South China seas, was the studiedly casual message.

It's getting hotter now. Bush is spluttering that he is "troubled". He 
warns against the Chinese "tampering" with the plane. Code for dissambling 
it minutely bit by bit. No doubt even more important to him than 
humanitarian welfare for the lives of the 24 crew. Meanwhile Chinese 
internet chat rooms are condemning the obvious arrogance of the US side in 
their lack of concern for the Chinese crewman.

It is funny to hear the US government spokesperson coming out with a 
standard answer when he simply does not know: " we will give you more 
information about that when we have it", however bellicose the questions.

>Two Chinese military planes were following the U.S. plane to monitor it. 
>The Chinese planes, Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhu Bangzo said in a 
>statement Sunday, "were flying normally" about 60 miles southeast of 
>Hainan Island, when "the U.S. plane suddenly turned toward the Chinese 
>plane. The head and the left wing of the U.S. plane bumped into one of the 
>Chinese planes, causing it to crash."

Other reports make it clear that "normal" flying over or near Chinese 
territorial space has got more and more intimate in recent months.

What is the macho Bush administration to do? What would have happened two 
decades ago is that they would have sent an aircraft carrier to the region, 
promised intensified air monitoring, and threatened retaliation if any 
monitors were intercepted. Cf Iraq now. Well already there are coded 
messages that the departure of 3 destroyers from the area for home base has 
been delayed.

What options does the US really have? Time is now on the Chinese side. 
World ridicule is on the Chinese side.

Indeed what is the purpose of expelling 50 Soviet spies from the US if a 
couple of weeks later you land a top spy plane on Chinese territory and 
pointedly ask that it should not be "tampered" with.

The Chinese are very proud. Their judgements are complex and slow. It is 
likely they will extend the mental torture of the US regime as long as they 
find it amusing and informative to do so.

Meanwhile this early lesson in the consequences of Bush's international 
"realism" is instructive. International affairs usually gravitate to a 
balance of power. The more the US struts around like a hegemon, the more it 
will be mobbed by smaller powers while others watch on with schadenfreude. 
Why should anyone want to help the US out? Only at a price. Mobbing is 
common in the animal kingdom, and after all, we humans are animals. By 
abandoning Clinton's pretence at the moral ascendancy over human rights, 
Bush is likely to stimulate the nearest thing to a world united front 
against US hegemonism we have seen the fall of the socialist bloc.

Chris Burford

London

PS from Janes Military Aerospace on the Lockheed Martin EP-3 Aeries II

http://www.janes.com/aerospace/military/news/jema/jema010402_1_n.shtml



EP-3 or 'Iron Clad'? While referred to as an EP-3, initial reports 
concerning this incident do not specifically identify the type of US 
aircraft involved. Jane's analysis suggests that it is either a Lockheed 
Martin EP-3E Aries II signals intelligence (SIGINT) aircraft or a Lockheed 
Martin 'Iron Clad' P-3 covert surveillance platform.

The EP-3E is ... said to cost (spring 1997) $2,100 per flight hour to operate.

The US Navy (USN) defines the EP-3E's role in the following terms:

Operating in international airspace either independently or in conjunction 
with other US forces, the EP-3E provides the Fleet Commander with a 
real-time assessment of the tactical posture of potentially unfriendly 
military forces. While providing intelligence for the Fleet in a 
multithreat/open ocean environment, the reconnaissance crew must rapidly 
determine the evolving tactical scenario by analysing available 
information. Disseminating this information directly to the National 
Command authority allows decision makers at all levels to respond to key 
developments.

[But not this Sunday morning]

If the aircraft is actually an Iron Clad P3 the size of the cost is 
indicated by the following passage from Janes:

"As originally proposed, the new mission and communications equipment 
segment of the effort was scheduled to take place during US FYs98 and 99. 
At the same time, the cost of modifying the two low-time P-3Cs to 'Iron 
Clad' standard was estimated at then year US$26.6 million. As part of its 
FY 98 funding deliberations, the US Senate's Defense Appropriations 
Committee is reported to have recommended adding US$7 million to the 'Iron 
Clad' funding request as a down payment on the described P-3C conversion 
programme."

ie at least  $15 million each for the modification and conversion alone.





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