>Michael Keaney says:
>>It's not clear to me that we disagree on anything substantive. The
>>implication that I'm somehow having a go at Lenin is misplaced, because the
>>point is not how mistaken Lenin was, but how constrained by his
>>circumstances he was. Those circumstances included civil war and the
>>unwarranted intervention of Britain and the United States. There's not much
>>room for utopianism in those circumstances.
Yoshie writes:
>If we are ever successful in making a transition to socialism, we will
>likely face civil war & unwarranted intervention (with increased military
>powers on the part of imperialists, compared to what the Bolsheviks
>faced), which will have to lead to the postponement of ecologically-minded
>socialism until military threats to the existence of socialism get put
>down, our increased scientific knowledge regarding the environment
>notwithstanding. There is nothing more ecologically destructive than war.
in addition, Louis P. has argued (pretty convincingly) that the early
Bolshevik regime was pretty ecologically-minded (especially by the
standards of the day), until the rot set in ....
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
