I regret if Mark is indeed not contributing to the list at present although 
he obviously cannot respond to every question about oil.

Anyway I think some of the cross purposes are that people are looking at it 
from different perspectives.

Despite the recent fall in the oil price I have been fully convinced by 
arguments that Mark has presented that world production is reaching its 
limit in terms of available oil.

As the most efficient mobile store of energy, not requiring electric 
cables, a very large section of the means of production is dependent on 
oil. A large price rise over one or two decades would greatly impede the 
existing pattern of circulation of goods and services, and force the 
destruction of capital in these means of production.

It therefore also illustrates, like the problem of the finite nature of 
other naturally-occurring use values, such as water, land, and air, the 
inability of the private ownership of the means of production, capitalism, 
to address environmental and social needs coherently.

Such crucial naturally-occurring resources therefore may become limiting 
factors to the development of an economy.

>it's not about oil but about the limiting conditions, the points of 
>singularity in the world system, the straws about to break camels' backs.

*However* from a marxian point of view the cycles of capitalist 
circulation, have as their limiting factor, the sum total of exchange value 
produced by all the commodity-producing labour in the society. That is the 
fundamental limiting factor in capitalism.

Theoretical confusion about this can lead to conclusions that ironically 
mystify the issue of private ownership of the means of production and 
practical implications for a strategic struggle.

I do not see these viewpoints as necessarily incompatible in any way. It is 
a question of from what perspective you are analysing the phenomena.

Chris Burford

London



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