I apologize for the characterization of Comrade Kliman, who emerges out of a tradition I admire. But, YUP, as Doug said the other day, pen-l isn't the place for humor, mockery or saracasm, self-deprecation, immolation lest that Old Mole of Criticism Inflame those damn Carbuncles in the marxian Whiskers. I'll take Chaz'es implication that I'm a racist in stride, after all if he calls Justin an anti-communist,(someone who spent a number of years in the New Democratic Movement, which was the post-party formation of the maoist Communist Workers Party (who gave their lives in Greensboro, N.C. in 1980. One of the five had been a member previously in the organization I belonged to in the 80's, the new leftish New American Movement that got swallowed up by DSOC to create DSA, much ado about nothing in retrospect ;-( )end of that parethesis!]~ he'll call Trotsky an anti-communist, I guess! Anyway, keep on arguing y'all, nothing this Fascist Insect That Preys On the Life of the People... --- Original Message --- >From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 3/15/02 7:28:43 AM >
>Moving it offlist > > > >I say this not in a retort , but as political criticism. It is important that the left retain or revive criticism of redbaiting. Anti-communism and redbaiting are as politically reprehensible as sexism, racism, anti-Semitism and the rest. We have to start calling out redbaiting the way we call out male supremacy. Somehow nowadays the left does not direct as much political critcism at redbaiting. Of course, we are not in a period of repression of communists, as in the Palmer raids or McCarthyism , so this is not exactly "exposing" communists to the same dangers of old, although there can be harmful consequences of the same still. And anyway, I think Andrew has in the past ( I recall specifically from LBO-Talk) been open with his political affiliation. I recall on LBO, in criticizing one of my posts, Andrew echoed a criticism of Angela Davis made by a former autoworker leader of the Marxist-Humanist tradition. ( So, once again Michael Pugliese presumes to tell me something! > I already know. As he does this so much, it starts to become a species of paternalism ; assuming M. Pugliese is white, it seems like white paternalism). Nonetheless, his post seems to evince historical forgetfulness of the fundamental left antagonism to redbaiting. > >Of course, the old saying was cratch a redbaiter and find a race-hater. > >Comrade Brown > >^^^^^^^^ >I thought that the message that I received was sent to me off list. >Obviously, such a personal characterization of any member "obnoxious" has >no business here. That can start a stupid flame war. > >On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:03:07PM -0800, Michael Perelman wrote: >> I am sure that he still is. >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:46:58AM -0800, michael pugliese wrote: >> > >> > While you have Andrew send e-mail addy to you Chaz, ask the >> > obnoxious comrade if he is still a member of News & Letters. >> > You too should have a good dialogue in state capitalism in ther >> > fSU and Raya Dunayevskaya on Hegel. >> > Michael, "the obnoxious, " Pugliese > > >
