At 21/03/02 14:12 -0600, you wrote:
>Sabri Oncu wrote: > > > > As far as I can see, we are about to engage in the same old fight > > between reformists and revolutionaries(not necessarily > > "Marxist-Leninists"). I am sure everybody here heard enough of > > such fights, so let us leave this at that. > > > > >Whether the fight takes that form or not depends (or should depend) on >given historical conditions. > >If we are talking about the U.S. I believe the divide _at this time_ is >between those whose hopes reside in a mass movement (whether they think in >terms of reform or revolution) and those whose hopes reside in "reforming" >or "persuading" various power centers (The Democratic Party, the U.S. >Ruling Class, the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party, the >Labour Party) to do good things. > >The conflict between "reform" and "revolution" will remain, but it can be >put on the back burner as it were. > >To see the havoc putting that conflict first does, subscribe to the AUT list. > >To see the havoc that the hope to transform power centers does, just keep >on reading the poster you are responding to. > >Carrol What is the meaning of 'havoc' in this context? Chris Burford
