I am plowing thru a huge backlog of emails now that classes are over. There are many participants (e.g. Gil, Jim D., Nancy Bomback) to PEN-L who have their browsers set to send both text and HTML (this is in the options set up). As a result, Those of us who are stuck with older email servers end up getting massively long missives. Unless there is some pressing reason your need to send both text and html, please change your settings.
An example of what gets sent is below. Thanks, Doug Orr ------------------------------------------------------ From: IN%"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 30-JUN-2002 20:06:54.92 To: IN%"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" CC: Subj: [PEN-L:27422] specifics from ANTHRO-L critics re: LTV Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from galaxy.csuchico.edu ([132.241.82.21]) by mail.ewu.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39404) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ORCPT [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (server@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by galaxy.csuchico.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g61350b12725; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by galaxy.csuchico.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6134fb12675 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id n.39.29592ab0 (16634) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:27422] specifics from ANTHRO-L critics re: LTV Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vjy6hJ8qsTjD1Ca/7nnmSg)" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.08 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] --Boundary_(ID_vjy6hJ8qsTjD1Ca/7nnmSg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I wondered if the list would have any opinions on some specific arguments from the ANTHRO-L list re: the labor theory of value. All of the following have to do with the idea that value derives not from labor, but from supply and demand. 1. Supply and demand is the constraint [on the amount of value in the world at any given time, since it isn't labor]. It doesn't matter how much something cost, in labor, materials, etc. if there is no demand for the item. It's just supply and demand. I've seen two recent examples of this that illustrate that idea very well. The first is mud pies. If value is a function of labor then a mud pie will have some value based on that labor, but then a mud pie that took someone 5 times as long to create should have 5 times the value. We all know that's not the case because mud pies have no value (outside the world of art subsidized by grants). 2. The other is gold. If value was a function of labor a gold nugget that had to be dug out of a mine would be worth proportionately more than an identical nugget found on the ground. 3. A few years ago Coca Cola was looking at a smart vending machine where the price of a soft drink actually fluctuated on the basis of supply and demand. On hot days the price would rise as more people were thirsty, while on cold/low demand days it would drop below it's (sic) regular price, though the cost of producing the drink never changed. As before, I very much welcome your comments and perspectives. nancy brumback professor of integrated ecological studies new college of california 766 valencia st. san francisco, CA 94110 415-437-3405 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Boundary_(ID_vjy6hJ8qsTjD1Ca/7nnmSg) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I wondered if the list would have any opinions on some specific arguments from the ANTHRO-L list re: the labor theory of value. All of the following have to do with the idea that value derives not from labor, <BR> <BR>1. Supply and demand is the constraint [on the amount of value in the world at any given time, since it isn't labor]. It doesn't matter how much something cost, in labor, materials, etc. if there is no demand for the item. It's just supply and demand. <BR> <BR>2. The other is gold. If value was a function of labor a gold nugget that had to be dug out of a mine would be worth proportionately more than an identical nugget found on the ground. <BR> <BR>3. A few years ago Coca Cola was looking at a smart vending machine where the price of a soft drink actually fluctuated on the basis of supply and demand. On hot days the price would rise as more people were thirsty, while on cold/low demand day <BR> <BR>As before, I very much welcome your comments and perspectives. <BR> <BR>nancy brumback <BR>professor of integrated ecological studies <BR>new college of california <BR>766 valencia st. <BR>san francisco, CA 94110 <BR>415-437-3405 <BR>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></HTML> --Boundary_(ID_vjy6hJ8qsTjD1Ca/7nnmSg)--
