A chaser remains a chaser? What's a "chazer"?? Is this like a tiger doesnt change its stripes or something?
Cheers, Ken Hanly ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: [PEN-L:28270] Re: citation on reforms > Chris Burford wrote: > > > "Marxism alone precisely and correctly defines the relation between > > reform and revolution. Marx was able to see this realtion only from > > one aspect, namely in the conditions preceding the first to any extent > > permanent and prolonged victory of the proletariat, if only in one > > countrey. In those conditions, the basis fo the proper relation was: > > reform is the by-prdouct of the revolutionary class struggle of the > > proletariat............Before the victory of the proletariat, reforms > > are a by-product of the revolutionary class struggle." > > > > I believe I recall Louis Proyect asserting that we would not get very > > far by quoting Lenin, but I cannot remember the context. However if he > > wishes to assert that real Marxists are not in favour of reforms, he > > might strengthen his position by citing a source, otherwise it might > > just appear a loaded assertion as to who is a real Marxist and who is > > an unreal marxist. > > I went ahead and consulted the Collected Lenin to put the above quote in > context. A month later, Lenin wrote an article titled "Let there be no > Confusion" that expanded on the relationship between reform and > revolution. He wrote: > > "Comrade Vzyanikov appears in his muddle-headed way to have fallen off > the three-legged stool whose leftmost leg he sawed off himself chasing > after European decadent opportunist trends. Ptooey, I say. When I say > reforms, I mean specifically and unalterably and to a moral certainty > that this does not include junkets by bourgeois imperialist oppressors > and their bootlicking 'friends' in the middle-class, especially Mario > del Bono, that renegade from Marxism who tossed principles aside to > justify capitalist exploitation in the Levantine. When del Bono told > Figaro that the introduction of ice-making machinery into the Upper > Volta was a sign of progress, any revolutionary-minded worker would have > raised his fist in agreement with the hoary Russian oath: "A chazer > bleibt a chazer". > > (Collected Works, V. 23, p. 457) > > -- > > Louis Proyect > www.marxmail.org > >
