I think Harvey means something close to what you write below about the 
destruction of the planet.

I don't really know if his criticism of Foster as an exemplar was fair, but 
he complained about the lack of a ''class line' (my term) in Foster's 
suggestion that there is a "common interest" by humanity to stop despoiling 
the earth, or in Barry Commoner-like 'laws' of ecology ( 'nature knows 
best', etc). Harvey argues the eco-socialist program is still 
under-developed (my term). He has emphasize the environmental justice 
movement (e.g. against toxic sites in poor/Black/Latino neighbourhoods) as 
an under-rated site of eco/class struggle.  Louis P. describes such 
criticism as 'brown Marxism', but I think that is off the mark.

Bill Burgess

At 10:24 PM 8/27/2002 -0700, Ken wrote:
>Why is the distinction lost on you? Surely it is likely that the planet will
>survive. The idea of a vulnerable planet is a bit weird in itself except
>that a meteorite or MAD atomic blast might destroy it. What is vulnerable
>are some species and perhaps humans are one of them. I really dont know. But
>surely not all species are likely to be destroyed and even some members of
>the human species will probably survive a considerable amount of
>environmental degradation but not with a "standard of living" such as we now
>have. So what is it you mean when you claim not to understand Harvey's
>distinction? Or does he mean something different that what I described
>above?
>
>Cheers, Ken Hanly
> >
> >)
> >
> > Neither of these characters have anything to do with Marxism, but they
> > both figure in debates between Marxists over the ecological crisis. For
> > example, David Harvey argued that MR editor John Bellamy Foster was
> > veering in the same direction as people like Erlich because he titled
> > his book "The Vulnerable Planet." Harvey argued that we might despoil
> > the planet, but it will survive. This was a distinction lost on both
> > John and me.
> >

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