this is a good post, because it's specific in its critique. This is something that might be answered, though I doubt anyone's interested in doing so. Jim
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 8/9/2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The Road to Serfdom --- andie nachgeborenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JKS refers to > the well worn territory of how > > markets are BAD< > > > > actually, my understanding is that (except for > Mike > > B), the main trend of the anti-"market socialism" > > side was not that markets are "BAD." (Could you > > name someone who says that markets are evil?) > > Right here, right now, Mike Ballard. ******************************************************* Hi Jim and Andie, Just to be clear and without religious overtone: I don't think that markets are evil. I think that we need to realize that we (who are not capitalists) are the market and the producers. I think that exchange-value needs to be stripped away from use-value and disgarded. I think that it has now been historically demonstrated that commodity production/consumption undermines any attempt to achieve socialism. I think that wage-labour has outlived its usefulness for humankind. I think that commodity production is inherently alienating, always leading away from social ownership of the means of production, self-management and towards the continuation of hierarchical-political power over the producers. Best, Mike B) ===== ***************************************************************** Cognitive dissonance is the inner conflict produced when long-standing beliefs are contradicted by new evidence. http://profiles.yahoo.com/swillsqueal __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com