Carrol Cox wrote:

The following post on lbo-talk seems relevant to the current discussion
on pen-l.

John Gulick wrote:


Is any self-respecting US leftist truly _shocked and dismayed_ by the casual
violence visited upon Iraqi prisoners ? Inquiring minds want to know. Just
asking. Isn't it entirely predictable that a racist and imperialist
occupation writ large will lead to a million acts of smug brutality writ
small ?

It has always been the case, so it is predictable. What did surprise me
was the reaction of "shock and dismay" at the revelations. I would have
expected the "if you want to make an omlet, you've got to break some
eggs" routine. But no.  So, one thing that it brings to mind is the
Puritans/bearbaiting joke; that being that the Puritans weren't opposed
to bearbaiting because the bears suffered but because the audience was
enjoying itself too much.  I wonder, if the pictures had shown
hatchet-faced guards overseeing the humiliation/torture, whether the
reaction would have been less "dismayed."

From where I'm sitting, the torture/humiliation of Iraqi civilians/ is
all of a piece with the U.S. racist/imperial policy toward Iraq from the
first Gulf war. No surprises.

Should the state that is responsible for the murder, torture, starvation
of Iraqis and for the wholesale destruction of Iraq be charged with its
"reconstruction"? Are you kidding? Should it pay reparations? Of course.

Joanna

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