Michael wrote:
Economics is all about measuring in measurable.  I was reading this week about
"scientific racism" in Victorian England, where people tried to develop
mathematical
measures of how close various peoples came to being Africans.  These
measures showed
the Irish were almost Black.  Such matters were taken very seriously and
the time.


The English tried very hard to make the Irish, umm, English, but the
English in Ireland just kept on becoming Irish no matter what they did  --
until, of course, the Elizabethans.   Oppression of the Irish people really
accelerated with the Elizabethans, and by the time the Victorians rolled
around, the oppression was well established.

Throughout the history of Ireland, invader after invader came and
eventually absorbed themselves into the native population of Ireland. They
ALL became Irish. First it was the Celts who were actually very friendly
invaders from the beginning.  Then the Vikings came, less friendly at first
but eventually joined the Celts and became Irish.  The last of the more
hostile Normans, came, fought, conquered, and then became Irish.  The
Anglos (Old English) also adopted Gaelic practices until the Tudors and
specifically the Elizabethans began to give landed titles in Ireland in
exchange for the abandonment of Gaelic governing customs and culture.  The
Elizabethans also established "presidencies" for crying out loud in
Connaught and Munster  -- something like Wales.  But the worst and most
detrimental practice to the Irish was an "ethnic cleansing" style
colonization in Ulster and Munster.

Diane "Kathleen O'Ciardha" Monaco :)

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