In the rush to compose the reply, several typos slipped through.  For example:

> I do not believe -- nor have I claimed at any point -- that the
> productive forces can be neutral.

Actually, they can be neutral.  They are fairly neutral in some
instances, as I indicate in my posting.  But, in general, they are not
neutral.

> If my memory serves, the passages in Marx's Grundrisse and Capital
> that Michael refers us to are full of references to the notion that,
> at first, capitalist production took the production and labor
> processes, the existing productive forces, *as they were*, as they had
> developed in pre-capitalist conditions.

Not "capitalist production took" but "capital took" or "the capitalists took."

Etc.
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