I substantially agree with your discussion below, Marvin. ( That post
was from wikipedia, by the way). 
 
Interjections


From: Marvin Gandall 

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Charles would be the first to agree that Lenin and the other classical
Marxists were influenced by and wrote for the period they lived in,
and
didn't hand down formulas valid for eternity.
^^^
CB: Yes, Lou Proyect has just articulated this well in his first post
on _Imperialism_. The aphorism is Lenin did "concrete analysis of the
concrete situation."  And Engels said "Marxism is not a dogma , but a
guide to action."  "Eternity" they didn't write for.  Caveat: they did
make generalizations with varying lengths of validity. The fundamentals
of capitalism, like working class vs bourgeoisie are sort of valid until
capitalism ends.  I think Lenin's observations on monopoly (oligopoly)
capital are not confined to the early 20th Century.  As to the
_opportunism_ ( the dimension not mentioned here) of sections of
labor...uhhh lets talk about it.  And much of Lenin's thinking in
_Imperialism_, development based on dialectical modification, is very
pertinent to the era of WWII, which is 20 to 30 years on from the
pamphlet, and even to the Cold War period.  So, in that regard Lenin's
writing was relevant and necessary for understanding  periods beyond the
one he lived in.  A main change in the "behavior" of the imperialism of
the era of the pamphlet by that name was caused by the existence of the
Soviet Union (something which Lenin had a bit to do with)  It was the
bulwark for the end of the colonial system analyzed in _Imperialism_.   
The imperialist powers  overcame their inter-imperialist rivalry
,especially post-WWII,  to unite against the Soviet Union. This aspect
is important for analyzing the whole Cold War era.   So, sure  we have
to update the concepts of _Imperialism_, but that has to be done
_starting_ with the concepts in _Imperialism_ , which a lot of  those
who want to say _Imperialism_ is outdated don't do. They just want to
throw out _Imperialism_. 

^^^^

 They lived at a time when the
working class in the West was growing in size and power and a sizeable
part
of it identified with the revolutionary left. They also witnessed
first-hand
the great scramble for colonies by the Europeans, the US, and Japan and
the
brutal misery inflicted on the colonial peoples which Twain, among
others,
documented in relation to the Belgian Congo and other super-exploited
territories. So they properly characterized the period as a
revolutionary
and the age as one of imperialism.

They thought they were on the threshold
of capitalist collapse and socialist revolution, and their forecasts
seemed
to be strikingly vindicated both by the imperialist rivalry culminating
in
World War I, and by the subsequent wave of unrest in the armies and on
the
home fronts unleashed by the war which culminated in the Russian
Revolution.
In these circumstances, it was plausible to argue that the narrow
craft
unions and reformist leaderships of the workers' parties were running
well
behind the temper of the working class and delaying and obstructing
the
world socialist revolution which now looked all but inevitable. The
materialist underpinning they gave to their analysis was that the
craft
unionists who controlled the embryonic labour federations and workers'
parties had been effectively  co-opted into supporting the system with
the extra profits generated by imperialism. But, as Charles notes,
they
didn't extend the concept of the "labour aristocracy" to the growing
army of
industrial workers in the advanced capitalist countries who were just
beginning to organize and on whom the revolutionary left pinned its
hopes.


I won't repeat my arguments except to say that I've balked at the much
wider
use of "labour aristocracy" to describe the mass of today's workers in
the
West; that, in general, working class conditions in the West are
stagnating
or declining while those in the periphery are improving; that the
higher
growth rates, rapidly developing home markets, and export of capital
from
the former colonial territories to the West  suggests the age of
Western
imperialism is drawing to a close and that  the analytical framework
of
unequal exchange through which we've understood the world over the
past
century needs updating; that the "crisis of leadership" theory is
inapplicable in a period when the leadership reflects the liberal
consciousness of  the base, where the socialist left is now wholly
absent;
that we live not in an age of advance and revolution, but of retreat
and
counter-revolution, characterized above all by the collapse or
transformation of the old anticapitalist states and movements, the
contraction of the Western trade unions, and the expansion of
capitalism
into vast new markets.

^^^^
CB; Yes, you have sketched the features of even an further development
beyond the WWII and post-WWII era.  I'd say some of the features of
imperialism, like monopoly and finance capital are still operating
today.  Some of Lenin's generalizations have longer applicability than
others. Some of the concepts pertinent for analyzing today are best
understood as negations of concepts in _Imperialism_.  But , as I said ,
above, that means study of _Imperialism_ is still the first step for
understanding those negations.  It is foolish to just throw out
_Imperialism_ and start from scratch . That's what the bourgeoisie want
one to do. Imperialism today is different from imperialism in 1918, but
it is different in ways that are orderly  and logical negations , of the
imperialism of 1918. The concepts in _Imperialism_ shouldn't be ignored,
they should be used as a starting point of the logical evolution and
development of imperialism.

To fully and accurately characterize the current period, we have look
at some of the features of the WWII and Cold War periods out of which
the present grows , the features of the current period which are best
understood as features of the previous period persisting or turning into
their opposite.

Neo-colonialism largely discarded European settler colonialization, but
dominance through big wars and rapid military invasion and occupations
was substituted , especially as the scientific and technological
revolutions gave rise to big advances in the means and mode of
destruction.

I  want to jump back to the WWII and Cold War period to point out that
there were neo-colonialist dimensions echoing the colonialism of the
early 20th and 19th centuries.
The great power nation the US did inflict brutality on the Korean and
Chinese people as late as 1950, the Vietnamese, Laotian, Kampuchean
peoples as late as the 1960's and 1970's, the Nicaraguan ,Afghani
peoples as late as the 1980's, the Iraqi people from the early 90's
through 2008.  So , ,modified versions  of these generalizations from
_Imperialism_ concerning imperialism seem to still have some validity.
These events derive  in part from  the existence of the Soviet Union and
socialist nations, one issue that I suggested should be the basis for
modifying Lenin's analysis in _Imperialism_ . My point is again, the
analysis in _Imperialism_ should be used to develop the analysis of the
periods beyond the period in which _Imperialism_ is fully valid.  This
is one reason it is not correct to ignore _Imperialism_ entirely for
later periods; the other reason is that some of the generalizations in
_Imperialism_ are valid for a long period of time even to the present.

And one point that is sort of sticky  is that not only were the labor
lieutenants of capital in the AFL-CIO very much in on these
anti-communist wars,  the soldiers who did the bulk of the warring work
on those countries were largely from the US working class. This is not a
moral point, but it is a critical aspect of the effect of the
opportunism and anti-communism that the rank and file workers were not
able to resist, whether because they were following their labor leaders
( lieutenants of capital) or they were embued with racism, nationalism
and chauvinism.  The US bourgeoisie were able to get the American
workers en masse to act in a manner diametrically opposed to Marx and
Engels' creed of "Workers of all nations , unite !". The domestic model
and mental preparation for this tragic,politically corrupting,
opportunist American creed was racism against Black , Brown and Yellow
workers among White workers.  White American workers were first
"aristocrats" in relation to American workers of color, and this made it
easy to be warriors against other workers of color around the world in
neo-colonies throughout the 20th Century whether in Lenin's lifetime or
beyond




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