To me Carter looks a lot like Clinton, maybe Obama, and Nixon looks a lot 
like both Bushes.

The big disconnect is Bush II rhetoric (humble foreign policy, fiscal 
conservatism, small

government) and actual performance.





> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Dassbach
> Sent: 07/17/08 04:23 pm
> To: Progressive Economics
> Subject: Re: [Pen-l] proof that everything is relative in politics
> 
> Political spectrums are not absolute but relative.  What is conservative 
> at one time is moderate at another.  For example, what would Cater or 
> Nixon be considered today.  BTW,  Jimmie Cater represents the first step 
> (and Clinton, the last step) in the  betrayal of the "FDR" Democrats ala 
> Kennedy and Johnson.
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >> from SLATE's news summary (7/17/08):
> > >> The [Washington POST reports] that the White
> > >> House got angry with former Attorney General John
> > >> Ashcroft . . . [who successfully lobbied against
> > >> appointing John Yoo as DOJ Legal counsel].  *   *  *
> > >> The Post says this information is another example
> > >> of how Ashcroft "is coming to be viewed as a voice
> > >> of moderation on some of the most sensitive national
> > >> security issues the nation faced after Sept. 11."
> > >
> > > Ashcroft a moderate ?!?
> >
> > I haven't read the Slate or Wash. Post piece, but did read about this 
> > episode in Jane Mayer's recent book -- "The Dark Side: The Inside 
> > Story of How The War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals" 
> > -- in which Mayer's take is less that Ashcroft was exhibiting 
> > "moderation" (whatever that means) and much more that he didn't like 
> > Yoo and, more importantly, that is was a turf-war issue, i.e., that 
> > Ashcroft didn't trust Yoo and found annoying/troubling that Yoo 
> > communicated/dealt directly with the White House (e.g., Addington) 
> > thus by-passing Ashcroft as (putatively/nominally) Yoo's boss, and 
> > Ashcroft didn't want that to continue.
> >
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