Jeffrey Fisher schreef:


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    It's true about Baum. He was a populist (favoring a bimetallic
    monetary system) and 19th & 20th century populism had major baggage,
    such as so-called "nativism," which involved racist attitudes toward
    the real natives. But you can see that in lefty icons such as Woody
    Guthrie ("this land is our land") and even Leo Huberman (if I remember
    correctly). Each of us is a product of our times. It's best to judge
    old folks like these not only with the benefit of modern hindsight but
    also from their own perspective. Even Marx said some stuff that could
    be interpreted as racist or anti-Jewish from today's perspective.

    On the other hand, I have no apologies for Tolkien. The fact that his
    books have become icons with almost religious content attached to them
    is scary.


i admit i don't understand this. and i confess to having loved those books as a kid, and i was frankly growing up in a kind of dysfunctional shire i was desperate to get out of. but even if accept moorcock's understanding (and my third confession is to not having read the essay in question), doesn't it just go to show that stories take on lives of their own? especially when they are such sweeping works. they become about whatever the people reading them want them to be, and that is to my mind less a question of misreading than of the malleability of the material.

j ists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
Yes, I agree with this. Nobody really contests the content of Moorcock's analysis - of course Tolkien was an anti-industrial rural reactionary, of course his fantasy world is an almost self-parodying romantic reactionary, sexist and religious illusion. Everyone who reads the books immediately notices this, there is nothing particularly insightful in pointing this out. The question is: so what? I think one of the things about orthodox leninism that we ought to be happy about getting rid of is the absurd and childish idea of culture: that its expressions should be carbon copies of our ideological program. This is not and cannot be how good literature works. I'd ten times rather read Tolkien, for all his absurdly reactionary personal views, than yet another one of those Toni Morrison type left-sentimentalist cliché books. Because what is lasting about literature (and not just literature but also painting, music etc) is its quality, not the degree to which it expresses a viewpoint on the issues of the day.

Let's not forget that Marx & Engels greatly admired writers like Aeschylus and Honoré de Balzac, not exactly heroes of progressive thought.

Matthijs Krul
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