On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
How about true liberal in the sense of George McGovern or even Jimmy Carter (in some respects)? What's obvious now is that he is a true Clintonite.


I still think it is too early to say... we should consider the simple possibility that Obama is a young, non-pedigreed (in blue blood sense) -- and yet a product of the meritocracy (in the Harvard sense) -- black man who has been (even against his wishes) cast as a Messiah by his followers while at the same time subject to the return of naked racism and bigotry ... and with this baggage, I would assume, comes a sense of great trepidation and uncertainty, which manifests itself in the grim, clipped style of speech and expression, the progressive step forward followed by a turnaround to safer ground.

BTW, Carrol's post on movements and individuals was absolutely brilliant.

I call for a Henwood mediated and moderated debate on Obama between Proyect and Huato somewhere in the city or surroundings! Keyboard leftists such as this author are in sore need of direction!

        --ravi

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