To what extent does a politician have to lie before becoming a "con
man" (or woman)? where to draw the line seems purely a matter of
opinion and not worth arguing about. What's important is the content
of the lies.

me:
>> Still, I don't see Obama as being more of a con man than any other
>> establishment politician.

Louis Proyect wrote:
> Really? I thought that the latest revelations from the NY Times about his
> decision to stay in Iraq rates him as big a con artist as LBJ. Most of his
> liberal supporters were quite sure that he would pull the troops out even
> though Samantha Powers blurted out the truth when she said that this was
> just a bunch of crap intended to keep the DP base mollified. She got fired
> from his campaign shortly after this happened and it is telling that she has
> been reinstated.
-- 
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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