On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Jim Devine wrote:

and Shane's reply:
"evaporate?" That "value" obviously never existed in reality, only on paper.<

I would agree with Shane: the high stock prices and the house prices
in (say) August 2008 were totally on paper, a matter of promises and
expectations.

I've had this argument with Dean, who's big on the wealth effect. I'm not sure how the stock of (largely fictitious) wealth affects the flows of consumption. Mortgage borrowing and spending capital gains can affect consumption, but not balance sheet wealth that's mostly money of the mind (in Jim Grant's excellent phrase). Yes, consumption in the recent boom ran well ahead of income, but that was enabled by mortgage equity withdrawal - people can't spend cash flow they don't have. My own half-assed regressions show that income growth and lagged consumption can explain almost all the variation in consumption (r2 = . 87). Adding mortgage debt growth raises the r2 some, but housing adds much less power. I've read some of the wealth effect lit and they don't mention mortgage debt - only housing wealth.

Doug
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