On May 10, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Sandwichman wrote:

May BLS Non-farm payroll employment decline: -775,000 to -835,000 jobs lost.

http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2009/05/prediction.html

Those are some original techniques you're using there, Comrade Sandwich.

You say:

Another thing I noticed is that seasonally unadjusted January to June employment numbers consistently display a steady slope, with the seasonally-adjusted employment figures intersecting that line at April. So far this year, the January to April segment of that line has been flat, with a minor dip down in February and March followed by a small bounce in April. That small bounce might reflect the 62,000 census workers plus the residual unadjusted seasonal variation from the birth/death model.

The BLS has been working on the birth/death model for a long time, and it works pretty well. If you think you've discovered a problem with it, then maybe you should let them know.

But I don't get your point at all about the slope of the unadjusted numbers. January is normally a month of heavy layoffs, so the SA takes out almost 3 million jobs that month at current employment levels. Feb- June are normally months when SA adds jobs - a little over 3 million all together. Over the course of a year, the seasonal factors cancel out. But if you look at the pattern for the first half of the year alone, you might find some sort of slope.

For example, if unadjusted employment were unchanged at April's NSA level of 132.295 million, you'd get the following changes after SA (in thousands):

Jan           +2,870
Feb             -649
Mar             -692
Apr             -734
May             -751
Jun             -402
Jul           +1,218
Aug             -123
Sep             -423
Oct             -724
Nov               +8
Dec             +269

Actual monthly changes, so far this year:

       SA       NSA
Jan    -741    -3,615
Feb    -681    -  164
Mar    -699    -   84
Apr    -539    +  241
      -----    ------
tot  -2,660    -3,622

How does this suggest anything about what might happen in May?

Doug



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