Thanks, Jim. Here is the transcript. Whatever else one may say about
NPR, I appreciate the fact that the NPR reporter didn't burn me by
selecting out of our long conversation a snippet that misrepresented
my views (like the Christian Science Monitor reporter burned Medea
Benjamin.) Instead, she selected quotes that expressed key points that
I wanted to make that were relevant to the story at hand.

Michele Kelemen, NPR Morning Edition, October 29, 2009
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114257872

(audio is also at the above link)

The deadly attack on a U.N. guesthouse in Kabul on Wednesday — and a
helicopter crash that killed three U.S. drug enforcement agency
officials earlier in the week — underscored the dangers of being a
U.S. civilian in Afghanistan.

The State Department is currently in the process of beefing up its
corps of U.S. civilian advisers in Afghanistan, despite the security
concerns and a high-profile resignation from the mission.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned Wednesday's raid that
killed five U.N. workers, including one American, calling it "shocking
and shameless."

He said the U.N. contingent will remain in Afghanistan to help pave
the way for the Nov. 7 runoff election between President Hamid Karzai
and his challenger, former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah. "We
should not be deterred by these heinous terrorist attacks," Ban said.

In Washington, there was a similarly defiant tone. "If that is their
purpose here, to try and discourage us or intimidate us, it's not
going to work. We are committed to the Afghan people, and we are
committed to seeing this through," State Department spokesman Ian
Kelly told reporters Wednesday.

But the violence comes at a time when some are questioning the U.S.
mission in Afghanistan and whether civilian experts can do much to
help.

Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Corps officer who was serving as the
senior U.S. civilian in Afghanistan's Zabul province, resigned last
month in protest of the war. In his resignation letter, Hoh said he
had "lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes"
of the U.S. presence there. His resignation was first reported earlier
this week in The Washington Post.

Anti-war activists have seized on Hoh's resignation to make their case.

"He's challenging fundamental premises of the war. He's not just
saying this is going badly. He's saying what we are doing doesn't make
sense," said Robert Naiman, national coordinator of Just Foreign
Policy, an organization devoted to changing U.S. foreign policy.

The Hoh letter suggests that the U.S. is essentially intervening in an
ongoing civil war in Afghanistan, Naiman said.

"Sending more civilians isn't going to change anything if the
civilians are there in support of the existing war policy. If the idea
is that you know we are going to militarily defeat the Taliban and
sending more civilians is going to help that because we are going to
win hearts and minds by building schools and hospitals — that policy
hasn't worked," Naiman said.

Instead, it has made civilians targets of the insurgents, he said.
Naiman's advice is to focus on the political process — and to
encourage neighboring countries to help support Afghan reconciliation
as well.

"I'm all for sending more civilians in a political context where we
are trying to end the war and promote national reconciliation," he
said.

For now, State Department planners are pushing ahead with efforts to
get 974 civilian positions filled in Afghanistan by the end of the
year — including lawyers, agriculture and development experts and
diplomats.

Deputy Secretary of State Jacob Lew told reporters earlier this week
that the U.S. has already nearly doubled the number of civilians in
Afghanistan this year — from 340 to more than 600 — without the uproar
that marred the Bush administration's efforts to get more civilians to
sign up for duty in Iraq.

"I don't want to say it's easy. This is very hard. I mean, they're
hard assignments. These are hard decisions for people to make to go
over, and it's hard work when they get there," Lew said. "So it's
challenging, and I think we have to be kind of conscious of the fact
that it gets harder as you do it year after year, because people who
are inclined to take assignments like this have already done it once
or twice."

Even if President Obama decides to send more troops to Afghanistan,
Lew says he doesn't think the needs on the civilian side will change
radically, though the State Department might have to rethink where
exactly the civilians are sent.

As in Iraq, the United States has mixed civilian-military
reconstruction teams deployed around the country in Afghanistan.

Susan Johnson, the president of the American Foreign Service
Association, says it is still too early to tell whether the latest
violence in Afghanistan will hurt the State Department's recruiting
efforts for those assignments.

She says it is time for a broader debate about what civilians can or
cannot accomplish. The resignation letter of Hoh has some apt points,
Johnson said.

"We certainly respect what Mr. Hoh has done in putting this out,"
Johnson said, "if it stimulates more thoughtful and constructive
discussion of our policy and approach and the question of how many
civilians we should or shouldn't be sending. We shouldn't be just
stuck in the groove that we are in or in some old construct that we
are transferring from Iraq."

--
Robert Naiman
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
[email protected]


On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jim Devine <[email protected]> wrote:
> Pen-l's Robert Naiman was quoted at length on U.S. National Public
> Radio this morning.
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