For some time there have been arms coming in from Egypt with the approval of
the U.S. I saw an actual video clip of humanitarian aid being offloaded in
Misrate. Along with the aid they showed crates with weapons! Qatar has already
made an oil deal which will see a shipment of oil traded for money to buy
weapons.
Interestingly enough of the two main rebel leaders one had served Gadaffi for
many years but the other is probably a CIA operative. He led an earlier
rebellion and led an incursion into Chad for Gadaffi and then changed sides and
had his own militia in Chad. He went to the US and lived in Virginia and worked
for the opposition probably tied in with the CIA then. Now he is suddenly
jettisoned into a leadership role.
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFH362cQuU&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/world/africa/31intel.html
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8630903-khalifa-hifter-new-rebel-military-commander-may-have-ties-to-cia
Cheers, ken
----- Original Message ----
From: Paul Cockshott <[email protected]>
To: Progressive Economics <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 4:25:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen-l] When did nato start supplying arms to the rebels
I know Libyans who are strong supporters of the rebellion, and in their
situation that is understandable. However, having memories of the propaganda
campaigns that preceded previous British interventions in the middle east, I am
suspicious of the whole thing. The rebel movement looks to me like Northern
Alliance Mk II.
On the FN rifles I see the Wikepedia page on the FN lists both Libya and the
Libyan rebels as users of the rifle. It is possible that they were supplied by
the British prior to 1973. I will ask a Libyan friend what firearm they were
trained on the days of their army service.
The video however did not rest the case just on the FN rifles but on a variety
of other western weapons and the apparent presence of trainers who did not look
Libyan.
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Behalf Of Louis Proyect [[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:49 PM
To: Progressive Economics
Subject: Re: [Pen-l] When did nato start supplying arms to the rebels
On 4/20/11 11:21 AM, Carrol Cox wrote:
> The U.S. and EU have never once given support to an actual democratic
> movement in any of the world's weaker nations. The question posed idn
> teh subject line is redundant since it is a given that a movement
> supported in any way by the EU or US is not a democratic movement. The
> very existence of a debate among leftists on this topic is immenselly
> sdaddening.
The debate has never been about intervention. It has been about the
character of the Qaddafi government. By analogy, I had debates with
Michael Karadjis of the Australian DSP over Milosevic, whether he was
trying to preserve Titoism in some fashion or not, etc. But neither
Karadjis or I supported NATO's war.
The problem we are facing in the current debate is that some elements of
the pro-Qaddafi left are reluctant to come out and say that he is "one
of us" so their emphasis is more on how rotten his enemies are. I regard
this approach as cheap demagogy.
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