On 5/27/2011 12:12 PM, Jim Devine wrote:
> under Marx's law of value, what's wrong with the following?
>
> "Can’t machines produce surplus-Value? After all, capitalists hire or
> rent machine-power (the use of a machinery during a specific period)
> and can then use it to create machine services in production, more
> than paying for the cost of hiring the machine-power. This creates
> surplus-Value, right?"
>

Machines do not produce value, therefore they do not produce 
surplus-value either. The above argument seems to confuse value and 
price. For Marx value comes before price. Value has nothing to do with 
the observation that a capitalists might hire machine-power for a price 
that is less than the price of the machine's output. All this tells us 
is that the hire price of the machine was not equal to the value of the 
machine.
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