Lakshmi Rhone wrote:
> Nathan,
> Capital, vol 2 is a crucially important volume. Here I respectfully disagree
> with Professor Devine.
> 

     Yes indeed. I would like to add a further point:

     Volume II develops concretely that the point that the value of 
commodities isn't sufficient in order to be able to track the overall 
economic cycle. One has to consider that different products differ 
materially. This is, in my opinion, an example where Marx applied the idea of 
the non-rational nature of value concretely and brilliantly. 

        Thus in a crucial passage he writes:

    "So long as we looked upon the production of value and the value of the 
product of capital individually, the bodily form of the commodities produced 
was wholly immaterial for the analysis, whether it was machines, for 
instance, corn, or looking glasses. It was always but a matter of 
illustration, and any branch of production could have served that purpose 
equally well. . . . So far as the reproduction of capital was concerned, it 
was sufficient to assume that that portion of the product in commodities 
which represents capital-value finds an opportunity in the sphere of 
circulation to reconvert itself into its elements of production and thus into 
its form of productive capital; just as it is sufficient to assume that both 
the labourer and the capitalist find in the market those commodities on which 
they spend their wages and the surplus-value. THIS MERELY FORMAL MANNER OF 
PRESENTATION IS NO LONGER ADEQUATE in the study of the total social capital 
and of the value of its products. The reconversion of one portion of the 
value of the product into capital and the passing of another portion into the 
individual consumption of the capitalist as well as the working-class form a 
movement within the value of the product itself in which the result of the 
aggregate capital finds expression; and this movement IS NOT ONLY A 
REPLACEMENT OF VALUE, BUT ALSO A REPLACEMENT IN MATERIAL and is therefore as 
much bound up with the relative proportions of the value-components of the 
total social product as with their use-value, their material shape." 
(emphasis added) (Capital, vol. II, Part III, Chapter XX "Simple 
Reproduction" Section I. "The Formulation of the Question", p. 398, Intl Pub 
edition.)

        This is relevant both to his view of the Tableau Economique, and his 
development of an embryonic form of material balances.

        Also, I have found that his criticism of Adam Smith resolving 
exchange-value 
into v + s  (thus leaving out c, the used-up constant capital) turns out to 
be more important than might at first seem.

-- Joseph Green


> 1. it shows the possibility of expanded reproduction without a permanent
> underconsumption problem. Naive underconsumptionism is still the dominant
> ideology of the left.
> 2. the importance of the gold sector in expanded reproduction intimates the
> need for a credit sector that can play the same function, and thus throws
> light on the necessity of credit
> 3. it isolates the difficulties that firms will have in both realizing the
> value and finding on the market the quantity of use values required for
> their individual expanded reproduction. This shows of course that Marx is as
> concerned with value and use value. The reproduction schema can thus be used
> to show why the reproduction of capital will be shot through with
> disturbances.
> 4. in showing the possibility of the reproduction of capital, the Vol II
> analysis underwrites the analysis of the capital-labor relation as an
> ongoing relation that becomes over time opposite in content to its "free
> exchange" form (chs 21-23 Capital volume I). This is one of the most
> important dialectical inversions that Marx demonstrates.
> 5. the early parts of volume 2 introduce the different circuits of capital
> and discuss turnover. Both are rich in implications. See for example Duncan
> Foley´s diagram of the reproduction of capital in terms of financing,
> production and commercial lags in his Understanding Capital. I think this is
> one of the best diagrams of the movement of capital that I have ever seen,
> and it is entirely faithful to the Marx of Capital, vol 2.
> 

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