Sandwichman wrote:

Felice Pace asked, "How much abuse will Americans take?"

To paraphrase Johnny (Brando) in The Wild One "How much have you got?"
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I suspect 'they'  want even more than we have. Almost daily on lbo-talk 
I refer to the last chapter of Wages, Price and Profit. No one has 
commented on that yet, but I think I'll keep up the repetition. It seems 
to me that that chapter is the best commentary available on the United 
States from 1975 to the present and on into the future. "They" (I return 
to this below) will never stop demanding more, and Americans will never 
stop accepting that demand until a major militant movement OUTSIDE and 
independent of electoral politics emerges to force "them" to cease and 
desist. No administration, no Congress (DP or RP) will implement our 
demand unless the alternative is rising and uncontrollable disorder in 
most u.s. towns and cities.

Now - Who is "they"? ("We" is, broadly, the U.S. Working Class.) The 
assault on the working-class beginning in the mid-70s has, in many ways, 
been so seemingly systematic, so coherent, that it tempts to 
personification of "the capitalists" as though they constituted a single 
agent who could launch the assault. This is obvious nonsense, but I have 
noted on thse lists that many write as though they believed this. If 
that is the case, if we have a roughly systematic assault stretching 
nearly 40 years on the conditons of life of nearly 90% of the 
population, but if that cannot be ascribed to some fantasized "Central 
Committee of the Ruling Class," if in fact what seems planned is not and 
could not have been planned - if this is the case, then we need an 
explanation of what were/are the forces instigating such action over a 
lengthy period. How does the "they" of my first paragraph come into 
existence, and what are the historical conditions, relations, etc. 
driving their action. No one decide one day, "Let's go out and be mean 
to the American people." This cannot be driven simply by ideas that pop 
up from nowhere, though a thread on Obama over on lbo-talk is proceeding 
as if ideas had a historyof their own and current politics are the pure 
expression of pure  thought.

Can't the economists on this list begin to explore (after first making 
more precise) these questions?

And remember: ideas merely as ideas have no impact. No matter how 
brilliant and  accurate your ideas of what should be done (by whom?) 
are, it will make no difference until those ideas exist ina form that 
can be adopted by masses of people: it is only when ideas seize the 
masses that they become a material force.

Carrol

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