On May 19, 2012,  John Vertegaal wrote:

Both you and I know that Conrad
The name is Conard, which has an..interesting...significance in French
is spouting unadulterated BS. We also
both know that to logically make a point we have to reason from
axiomatic principles...

Wrong. To make a point logically (without the barbarism of splitting infinitives) we have to reason from explicit premises. Only in mathematics are those premises axiomatic. In regard to practical realities those premises (for Marxists and other scientists as well as for the general run of humanity) are always *a posteriori*, never *a priori*. They are generalizations from experience and are always subject to verification/refutation *in practice*. Marx said it all in the second Thesis on Feuerbach: "The question whether objective truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a practical question."

From my own set of them, capital rolls out to be a
debt; and capitalization a societal to be resolved debt, that no amount
of financial shenanigans can turn into a depletable positive entity...
...As I understand it, Marxians, just like (ueber) capitalists, axiomatically
hold capital to be a depletable positive entity.

Marxians, on the basis of the empirical generalization known as historical materialism, view all modes of production as means of distributing the labor power of society according to the uses valued by the society. Capital is the specific expression (in the mode of production known as capitalist) of a social relationship: domination by a ruling class through the exploitation of labor to produce and accumulate materialized surplus labor as surplus *value* (an empirical, not axiomatic, category). As surplus value accumulated in material form (the only form in which surplus labor can be accumulated) capitalized labor is continually being depleted (losing its efficacity as means of exploitation of labor) both through material wear and tear and through the formation by competitors of more exploitatively effective capital objects. Every capitalist, private or state, has continually to be concerned with such depletion at pain of competitive ruin. This is a material fact and has nothing to do with "axioms."


Shane Mage

"When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true." (N. Weiner)


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