On 2012-10-23, at 12:37 PM, David Shemano <[email protected]> wrote:

> At an abstract philosophical view, a libertarian not only believes in freedom 
> of speech, but freedom of association, and believes that the coercive power 
> of the state should play no role in the employer-employee 
> relationship...there is no evidence that, as a practical matter, arbitrary 
> actions by employers is a real problem in capitalist economies...the market 
> system provides the necessary framework to successfully address the issue 
> without the need for a coercive apparatus.

But It is only "the coercive power of the state" which provides for a limited 
form of "freedom of association" in the workplace,  ie. the right to organize 
unions - limits which employers have steadily sought to remove since they were 
first introduced. Prior to states recognizing trade union rights, labour 
activists were beaten, fired, blacklisted, and often killed by employer thugs, 
precisely in accordance with the "libertarian" principle that "the market 
system provides the necessary framework to successfully address the issue 
without the need for a coercive apparatus." There is no question that if 
legislation did not constrain employers from arbitrarily eliminating unions 
from the workplace, they would not hesitate to do so. You want to go back to 
that? If not, how do you reconcile it with your views as expressed above? The 
same, of course, is true of many other areas of political, social, and economic 
life (inadequately) regulated in some fashion by the state after long !
 democratic struggles from below against fierce employer resistance.
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