This was a terrific discussion Jim and everyone.  I agree with your 
interpretations.

I wanted to add one last bit from Daniel Foss, who argues, below that Baran and 
Sweezy were the last true Marxists, among other things. I have NOT shared with 
him anything that the PEN-Lers here wrote. . .but he forges on in any case. . . 
.this is the last I'll write on this. . .but if you have any final words before 
I put this article to rest. . .Brian

Here is Foss:
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Militant Bolshevik Greetings!

I note with some amazement that one of your correspondents suggested that a 
burger--flipper in a final-stage fast-food assembly plant "adds $1 to the value 
of each hamburger." The application of bourgeois economic categories was not at 
all what I was getting at: that was the conceptual transfer of an activity, 
food preparation, from the sphere of "biological reproduction" and "domestic 
consumption" to "productive labour in commodity production" - by Marx's 
definition in the sphere of material production - by the sheer fact of its 
having been industrialized and monetized. As I said yesterday. the 
configuration of the human behavioural repertory in Marx's day, and still, very 
largely, today, reflects patriarchal sexism in the organization of "life," as 
some called it. What was not paid for was not "work"; what was "work" was done 
outside the home, and pretty much - to minimize incongruities - by men. Sex was 
mentioned as another activity shifting in its category-placement: in Victorian 
times, as today, a highly-monetized labour market for sex partners - male as 
well as female - existed. Yet till this  very day, female practitioners have 
vainly sought the respectability of the appellation "sex workers"; male ones 
have been slow to organize ever since Theodosius the Great burned the 
"homosexual prostitutes of Rome" at the stake in 391. Now, it should not take 
any reminding that one of the two principal denotations of "labour" is that 
prolonged series of spasms and contractions undergone by women - till almost 
yesterday, at the risk of their lives - in giving birth; and that is the most 
centrally important event or occurrence in social reproduction, by comparison 
wherewith, all other production is but metaphor.  
  
     Rivers of ink were spilled throughout the history of workers' movements, 
socialist parties, and Marxist theory, on the question of defining productive 
labour. By the twentieth century, a ceiling of no more than one-third of all 
workers were employed in factories; a large and rapidly-growing percentage were 
employed in offices, wholesale and retail sales, technical and highly skilled 
occupations requiring specialized advanced training or education, and 
managerial, professional, and administrative positions below policy-making 
levels. Were these "workers," performing "productive labour," and consequently 
potential converts to socialism or allies of the factory working class or not? 
The German Social Democratic Party was the first to face this issue, even 
before World War I; and did so because that party was not only the heir of Marx 
and Engels; it was thoroughly aware of that fact. The British Labour Party and 
other working class parties were more amenable to fudging their principles.
     The options were: 1. No, because the office workers and other recipients 
of salaries or methods of remuneration other than hourly wage labour were not 
participants in the "capitalist labour process" "at the point of production. 
Hence the widely-copied formula, "workers by hand and brain."
      2. Yes, because they were participants in the "collective social 
labourer" whose blended effort was responsible for the production of the 
use-value (the article, otanbject, Thing produced).
      3. Some of them were. Others were not: Say, some of the employees in the 
office, the mechanical and electrical engineers, for example, were inescapably 
necessary for the contrivance of the physical process of making those aspects 
of the product essential to its fulfilling its use-value, and for doing so at 
low enough cost (exchange value) to permit the mass-marketing of the 
article-object-Thing to consumers to barely afford to purchase the contraption 
on the instalment plan. Or, even better, on consumer debt.
      4. Fat lot of difference 3. would make, since the office workers and 
sales force respond politically to the circumstance that they do not get dirty 
doing the work; that they went to high school/college/whatever together for the 
very purpose and expectation of making a living in undefiled circumstances.
      5. Yet another argument applied specifically to the post-World-War II USA 
hegemony in the world market: Until 1973, the USA made most of the world 
output; likewise, it consumed most of the world output. Nothing the 
mega-corporations and multinational conglomerates of the time did, however 
wasteful, seemed, to P. Baran and P. Sweezy, authors of Monopoly Capital 
(Monthly Review Press, 1964), to endanger this American dominance. They 
accordingly posited that the contribution of office workers to the economy was 
as "surplus absorbers." These were featherbedded employees who were busily at 
work collectively consuming office buildings, metropolitan infrastructure, 
office supplies, and appropriate attire, decor, and educational backgrounds - 
the latter having been made the presumption, presupposition, qualification, and 
socialization into the class atmospherics of the positions wherefore they were 
hired: In  order to supply the massive numbers of nouveaux-genteel 
recently-upwardly-mobile armies of (mainly male) corporate bureaucrats and 
their ubiquitous female office-servants/"Other Women" - as portrayed on the 
series Mad Men - the society was at that time impelled to build Clark Kerr's 
"Multiversity," and to clone it everywhere. 
     On top of all that, the "surplus absorbers" performed the bulk, or 
critical portion, of private household consumption: they (a) Owned Their Own 
Homes. (b) Owned The Family Car, and maybe a car or two besides, so that the 
main "breadwinner," the husband/father/male spouse could drive from home to 
work to home to work, &c. Which is called "functioning": In capitalism, you do 
the same damned thing over and over again; Or: You do less.
Their children started showing up in the offices of campus shrinks, complaining 
of Alienation. Pardon, lest we forget all the other Stuff that was required for 
the respectable family to Cram into places in the house; if there was an 
overflow, then into the garage. Still later, Steve Jobs would use that very 
overstuffed garage to add to the American Myth. Which all happened in 
California, of course.
     The above was generated from the bowels of the capitalist system - which 
is, after all, embodied in a society; and in real-world societies, Some Things 
Are Always More Important Than Money, though Not the ones They tell you - by 
Unintended Consequence, since it presumably stood too much in violation of 
capitalism's Prime Directive of profit: where the productivity of 
manual/production workers has long been quantifiable to several decimal places' 
precision, that of office workers lagged behind; and nowhere was this more true 
than in measuring the work output of would-be class equals of the management 
(say, junior executives) or the latter's ancillae (Latin for the ubiquitous 
female slaves of the elite household). This continued to be true well past the 
introduction of desktop computers; and, in fact, not till 1991 did claims of 
productivity gains due to computerization start to hold water. Even so, it was 
long before "lean and mean" managements succeeded in reducing prior 
overstaffing to the point where "workers" as a whole were registering 
productivity increases!
     Prove it, you say. Well, Baran and Sweezy are dead; but had they lived, 
they'd no doubt point out the corporate bureaucratic swamp into which the 
automobile industry lurched, and thereafter languished until its total collapse 
in 2009. Already, in the late 1960s, the Japanese automakers were making better 
cars and selling them in North America at lower prices; or else North Americans 
were willing to pay premia for higher-quality Japanese and German products. 
Collapse on this order of magnitude was by no means easy for the USA car 
industry to accomplish.

     Baran and Sweezy were obligated from the Marxist record as Heretics. They 
had no successors; and the applicability of "surplus absorption" as a concept 
or theory disappeared with the onset of Neo-Globalization. [Note: Capitalism is 
Always globalizing! What most people call "globalization" needs to be 
distinguished from previous epochs of world trade expansion, e.g., before World 
War One. - daf] Nobody continued their line of analysis. Which should have 
taken the form of: Both the process of capitalist production and the process of 
capitalist consumption involve the performance of unnecessary, socially useless 
or even toxic labour, and on a very large scale. By the same token, there is 
lots of labour which is socially beneficial, which the capitalist will under no 
circumstances pay for; and which will not get done, even by altruistic 
volunteering, if the doing of suchlike work will make Capitalism look like 
something that capitalists - and their now-multitudinous adulatory followers - 
decry it as making capitalism look un-capitalistic. Wherefor the latter, the 
complainers and denouncers, apply the curseword "Socialism."

      Which is unfair. As I wrote, back in 1968, "more properly, 'Social-wasm.' 
Past tense." Still, and to this very day, nobody has made up a word for what 
I'm For. Oh, I am reminded that tonight is the Eve of Recycled Materials 
Collection, entailing hours of hideously boring reading-up of Stuff I've been 
Putting Off Dealing With; not to mention the eating-raw of the remains of 
what's in the Curry Paste jar to throw it in with the Non-Paper products; for 
none of which do I expect to get paid. Good citizenship is its own, uh, Reward. 
And which should not have existed in the first place to the point and extent of 
requiring my Throwing It Out.

      "But who will collect the garbage?"
      "Why does it exist, requiring collection?"
      "But there was always garbage. Even in the Bronze Age, there was….."
      "Yeah, you appreciate it cuz it's your job, as an archaeologist. Just 
watch yourself after working hours..
      [Note: back in the bygone past, they had Ostraca if something got 
smashed; and the papyrus got written on the blank side, if any. - daf]

Daniel A. Foss 



 

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Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Against Marx - 2 Conservative anthros against the Labor 
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Angelus Novus wrote:
> Solution: smack these "anthropologists" over the head with Vol. 23 of the 
> MEW, 
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it's wrong to damage books.
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Jim Devine / If you're going to support the lesser of two evils, at
the very least you should know the nature of that evil.
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