On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Jim Devine wrote:

it really doesn't matter what you call the mode of production that characterized the old Soviet Union. The important thing is that it was a class society.

Well, the New Soviet Union is pretty clearly capitalist. But its state apparatus is pretty clearly the same as that of the Old Soviet Union (even the President is a KGB type--as are the heads of most of the "Republics"). So, judged by the Marxist theory of the state, the Old Soviet Union was a capitalist state for the final 50+ years of its existence.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Shane Mage <[email protected]> wrote:

On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Jim Devine wrote:

I guess Marx and Engels were wrong, unless the Soviet Union was an example of capitalism...

Which, of course, it was...

Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


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