Hans Ehrbar wrote: > Joseph Green quoted a paragraph where I mentioned carbon > rationing and feed-in tariffs, and then commented that > >> The only measures you mention are market measures. > > Feed-in tariffs are not based on the free market, instead > they generate an artifical market according to non-market > criteria.
Cap and trade is the quintessential market-based measure, and it consists of creating an artificial market in carbon certificates, "an artificial market according to non-market criteria". Carbon offsets also created an artificial market according to non-market critera. The idea is that once such an artificial market is created, or once the carbon tax tampers with the carbon price "according to non-market criteria", then market forces will take over and do the heavy lifting. But it turns out that it isn't so easy to fool the "invisible hand". So the creation of artificial markets, with the purpose of replacing or avoiding regulation, is a market-based measure. What you have done is redefine market-based based measures so that there aren't any market fundamentalists in the leadership of the environmental movement at all. Indeed, you go so far as to imply that these "artificial" market-based measures are inherently socialist, on the grounds that "these are the same criteria a socialist government would use". No wonder you resist criticism of Al Gore and the establishment environmentalists. Your difference with these neo-liberals is purely verbal. -- Joseph Green _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
