nathan tankus wrote:
> I find it amazing that everyone can blather on about the tendency for
> the rate of profit to fall without acknowledging that Marx explicitly
> said that his was a simple model that would need disaggregating into
> rent, unproductive labor, profit to enterprise, government . "That the
> fall of the rate of profit can further be delayed by the omission of
> existing deductions from profit, e.g. by a lowering of taxes,
> reduction of ground rent etc., is actually not our concern here,
> although of importance in practice, for these are themselves portions
> of the profit under another name, and are appropriated by persons
> other than the capitalists themselves"

as usually stated, the FROP theory works at a high level of
abstraction. This brings in more concrete detail, reducing the level
of abstraction. Perhaps a lot of people never got to this step because
the FROP theory (again, as usually stated) is incoherent. Another
possible reason is that some people are "stuck" at a high level of
abstraction and can't get out.

Juriaann writes:
>In the supremely abstract world of Marxist doctrine [that some Marxists cling 
>to] ...  anything can mean anything at a certain “level of abstraction”... but 
>I think that does not lead to good analysis worthy of Marx. Analysis means you 
>take something concrete, identify its components, and show how they are 
>related to each other and fit together.<

I think that "levels of abstraction" are useful, especially if you
make it clear what you're abstracting from (what level of abstraction
you're at). It's a mistake to jump to concrete analysis without any
abstraction, since that almost always means a lack of understanding.
IMHO, Marx agreed. He started at a concrete level, but when he
presented his theory in CAPITAL, he started at a very high level of
abstraction and then


-- 
Jim Devine /  "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your
own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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