Don't forget the devine Devine!

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote:

> Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Juriaan and
> Bendien of a personal Marx quaquaquaqua with white beard quaquaquaqua
> outside time without extension who from the heights of devine apathia
> devine athambia devine aphasia loves us dearly with some exceptions for
> reasons unknown but time will tell and suffers like the devine Marcuse with
> those who for reasons unknown but time will tell are plunged in torment
> plunged in fire whose fire flames if that continues and who can doubt it
> will fire the firmament that is to say blast heaven to hell so blue still
> and calm so calm with a calm which even though intermittent is better than
> nothing but not so fast and considering what is more that as a result of
> the labours left unfinished crowned by the Acacacacademy of
> Anthropopopometry of Essy-in-Possy of Testew and Cunard it is established
> beyond all doubt all other doubt than that which clings to the labours of
> men that as a result of the labours unfinished of Testew and Cunard it is
> established as hereinafter but not so fast for reasons unknown that as a
> result of the public works of Puncher and Wattmann it is established beyond
> all doubt that in view of the labour theory of value of Fartov and Belcher
> left unfinished for reasons unknown of Testew and Cunard left unfinished it
> is established what many deny that man in Possy of Testew and Cunard that
> man in Essy that man in short that man in brief in spite of the strides of
> alimentation and defecation is seen to waste and pine waste and pine and
> concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of
> the strides of physical culture the practice of sports such as tennis
> football running cycling swimming flying floating riding gliding conating
> camogie skating tennis of all kinds dying flying sports of all sorts autumn
> summer winter winter tennis of all kinds hockey of all sorts penicilline
> and succedanea in a word I resume and concurrently simultaneously for
> reasons unknown to shrink and dwindle in spite of the tennis I resume
> flying gliding golf over nine and eighteen holes tennis of all sorts in a
> word for reasons unknown in Feckham Peckham Fulham Clapham namely
> concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown but time will
> tell to shrink and dwindle I resume Fulham Clapham in a word the dead loss
> per caput since the death of Bishop Berkeley being to the tune of one inch
> four ounce per caput approximately by and large more or less to the nearest
> decimal good measure round figures stark naked in the stockinged feet in
> Connemara in a word for reasons unknown no matter what matter the facts are
> there and considering what is more much more grave that in the light of the
> labours lost of Steinweg and Peterman it appears what is more much more
> grave that in the light the light the light of the labours lost of Steinweg
> and Peterman that in the plains in the mountains by the seas by the rivers
> running water running fire the air is the same and than the earth namely
> the air and then the earth in the great cold the great dark the air and the
> earth abode of stones in the great cold alas alas in the year of their
> Louis Proyect six hundred and something the air the earth the sea the earth
> abode of stones in the great deeps the great cold an sea on land and in the
> air I resume for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis the facts are there
> but time will tell I resume alas alas on on in short in fine on on abode of
> stones who can doubt it I resume but not so fast I resume the skull to
> shrink and waste and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons
> unknown in spite of the tennis on on the beard the flames the tears the
> stones so blue so calm alas alas on on the skull the skull the skull the
> skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the labours abandoned left
> unfinished graver still abode of stones in a word I resume alas alas
> abandoned unfinished the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the
> tennis the skull alas the stones Cunard (mêlée, final vociferations)
> tennis... the stones... so calm... Cunard... unfinished...
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Jurriaan Bendien <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It would be easy to mistake Tom Walker as a member of the New Marxist
>> Exploiting Class, because he has a lot of the typical behaviours associated
>> with it, the jeering, lying and sneering and so forth. Nevertheless I would
>> not include him, because he is not a Marxist by any stretch of the
>> imagination, and because I think his ideas are not useful for anything, and
>> therefore it is difficult to see how he could exploit anybody. But I am
>> open to other arguments.****
>>
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>> ** **
>>
>> In reply to Jim Devine’s query:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I don’t have the time to explain the theory with all kinds of academic
>> subtleties and niceties here, but I can give a brief sketch as follows:**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The formation of a new class, caste or elite in actually existing
>> socialist societies has been commented on by numerous leftists with some
>> scruple or moral conscience, including: Altvater, Arthur, Bahro, Behrens,
>> Bence, Bettelheim, Boeuve, Bordiga, Brenner, Burnham, Carlo, Carter,
>> Chattopadyay, Cliff, Cox, Cycon, Daum, Deutscher, Dunayevskaya, Dutschke,
>> Feher, Fernandez, Finger, Frolich, Furedi, Grandizo, Haraszti, Hegedus,
>> Heller, Hilferding, Holmberg, James, Kautsky, Kis, Kofler, Konrad, Korsch,
>> Kowalik, Kuron, Laurat, Loone, Machover, Marcuse, Markus, Mattick, Melotti,
>> Miasnikov, Modzelewski, Mohun, Naville, Neussus, Pannekoek, Peret, Pollock,
>> Rakovsky, Resnick, Rizzi, Rosdolsky, Sandemose, Sapir, Schachtman,
>> Schmiederer, Singer, Sohn-Rethel, Sternberg, Stojanovic, Sweezy, Ticktin,
>> Voslensky, Weil, Wolff, Worrall, and Zimin.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Characteristic of most of the theories mooted by these authors, is the
>> “disconnect” between (1) Marxism, and (2) the class or elite power obtained
>> by Marxist leaders. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This was never mentioned in Marcel van der Linden’s book “Western Marxism
>> and the Soviet Union” (which I translated into English). Marcel’s narrative
>> was along the lines: “I don’t know what the answer is, and they don’t
>> either, but I hope they give us some clues.”****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The leftist analysts of the “new class” (or new elite, or ruling caste)
>> typically assumed, that Marxism is “sugar and spice and all things nice”,
>> and that if it isn’t, then it cannot be Marxism. With this kind of
>> assumption, it is reasoned that if a new class or elite did emerge in
>> actually existing socialist societies, then this cannot have had anything
>> to do with Marxism. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> In this way, Marxism (in whatever flavor or variant) is always
>> exonerated. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Very precise arguments are often made about this, such as that the true
>> revolutionary Marxism existed until 1923, or 1928, or 1956, or 1960, or
>> 1989, and that thereafter it degenerated into some other doctrine which
>> wasn’t Marxism. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Deutscher talked poetically and liturgically in terms of “the gulf
>> between the idea and reality.” In non-revolutionary times, you had to carry
>> the Marxist Talmud on your back, until the revolutionary time would come
>> again when the idea could realize itself. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The ideological assumption in all this, is as simple as it is banale:
>> either developments were revolutionary and progressive, in which case
>> Marxism was being applied, or they were reactionary and barbaric, in which
>> case Marxism had nothing to do with it. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The idea that there could be anything wrong with Marxism itself, is
>> completely excluded, it is a sort of “blind spot”. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Nikolai Bukharin in fact very precisely defined this blind spot, because
>> in his critique of Kautsky, he tried to provide a logically conclusive
>> theoretical argument to prove once and for all that the Bolsheviks could
>> not be a new ruling class, true in virtue of the truth of its logical
>> premises, the primary one being that a ruling class by definition owns the
>> means of production. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The concept of the New Marxist Exploiting Class aims to overcome this
>> kind of implausible interpretation, by specifically emphasizing that the
>> new exploiting class was a MARXIST exploiting class, and it exploited
>> ruthlessly specifically by applying a MARXIST ideology. The fact that it
>> did so, led to a by now legendary cynical humour among the people in
>> Eastern Europe, sharply contrasting the lofty rhetoric of the Marxist
>> rulers with the oppressive realities of life. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The implication in NMEC theory is, that Marxism is itself not a “squeaky
>> clean” ideology, but already contains the germs of new forms of social
>> oppression in the way that it theorizes social reality.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Sociologically speaking, the New Marxist Exploiting Class usually has its
>> main roots among the skilled working class and the lower middle class,
>> though it depends on what historical period or country we are talking
>> about. As Deutscher remarks somewhere, Marxism provided middle class people
>> with a convenient instrumentarium to understand the state and society, and
>> their own place in the social order.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> We are talking about personalities desirous of wealth, fame, adventure
>> and power, who seek to rise out of their class, people with a mixture of
>> motives revolving around social envy, status anxiety, contempt for their
>> competitors, and moral indignation about unfairness and injustice. What
>> they have in common is, that they try to manipulate people’s sympathies for
>> the oppressed for the purpose of their own campaign to climb to power,
>> their own political career, their own interests. They need not be
>> especially creative people, they could just be people who feel good
>> following a doctrine or faith, or people who like to spy over the shoulder
>> of their betters, in order to find out how they can advance their own
>> position. Formally it looks they are overflowing with the milk of human
>> kindness, but in substance they are parasitic and extractive.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The general conclusion of the NMEC analysis is that although the Marxists
>> were able to highlight, explain and alleviate some forms of human
>> oppression fairly well, the very idea of “Marxism” as an eponymous doctrine
>> was a bad and mistaken idea, and that if we want to improve, we have to
>> start again to forge a new way of thinking, completely freed from the
>> chatter about “Lenin said”, “Trotsky said”, “Mao said” (or “Marx said”!)
>>  etc. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There can of course be no dispute that these Marxists in their own time
>> did put a lot of ideas to the test, and that the tests can tell us
>> important things, but we don’t want that again.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I think the Trotskyoids and neo-Trotskyoids  played a very clever trick
>> when they rejected any idea that the USSR, China etc. could be “socialist”.
>> Socialism was sugar and spice and all things nice, you see. So if there was
>> real oppression in socialist countries, then they could not be socialist.
>> It is a simple and compelling thought, no doubt.  However, not only does
>> such a theory flatly contradict the reality experienced by of hundreds of
>> millions of socialist citizens, it also has nothing in common with Marx.
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I think Marx realized very well, already in the 1840s, that there were
>> all kinds of possible socialisms, and he liked to heckle a lot of the
>> socialistic ideas in the emigrant community of which he was part. Hal
>> Draper documented that in one of his books. The only consistent position
>> is, to say that the USSR and Soviet-type societies were really socialist,
>> but that it was a specifically RUSSIAN (or CHINESE, CUBAN, VIETNAMESE)
>> socialism, which emerged under highly specific historical conditions, and
>> therefore was not necessarily any exemplar for other countries (or even no
>> exemplar for what socialism really ought to be). ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I think Hal Draper got an inkling of the truth, with his tale about the
>> “two souls of socialism” – socialism from above, and socialism from below.
>> He realized very well, that socialism could have an oppressive as well as a
>> progressive content, which is true. But his spiritual metaphor prevented
>> him from thinking his own idea through till the end, to its logical
>> conclusion, that is all. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Draper could not quite make himself believe, that if there was a
>> socialism from above, that this was really a “socialism” (just as much as a
>> socialism from below), warts and all. His idea seems to have been that in
>> the revolutionary transformations of society, the true socialist idea got
>> lost, and its upholders were wiped off the stage of history, and thus, that
>> although the revolution might have been socialist-inspired, successive
>> waves of leaders created a bureaucratic collectivism, a sort of monster
>> which had nothing to do with socialism.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Of course, the NMEC analysis does not agree with Draper, although being
>> sympathetic to his idea. Draper’s analysis is delightfully spiritual and
>> poetic, but not a materialist analysis.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This is not to deny the importance of spirituality, of course. But
>> anybody can call himself a “humanist” while pursuing a profoundly
>> anti-humanist program.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> J.****
>>
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>
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