On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote: > > Gar writes: "To the extent that the climate crisis can be tackled within > capitalism, it does not require the invention of yet another new financial > instrument. Sure, if we get the political power to force action within > capitalism . . . . > > -------- > > Perhaps environmentalists should stop saying what "we" should do if we get > the power and focus on how we can get that power. (As usual, "we" here is > utterly vacuous.) > > I always think demands are part of how we get power.
> Incidentally, global warming won't destroy the planet. It will just make > life intolerable for some 80% of the population. Ruling elites will be just > fine. They have no motive to pay any attention to Gar et al. > > The planet will be just fine. However, it will not simply make life intolerable. There is a real chance of human extincition, and a larger chance of losing technology and referting back to primitive agriculture or forager (which would of course include a die-off.) And neither Robin nor I are directing our comments towards elites, but towards activists. Hahnel is calling for unity around a particular program which I feel would be disastrous. I'm pointing out that it would be disastrous and that there are in fact alternatives. If you feel detailed demandsd are useless, you shold take that up with Marx and Engles who often advocated specific programs, and took the time to do detailed critques of programs they disagreed with . > Carrol > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > -- Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow Solving the Climate Crisis web page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com Grist Blog: http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com
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