On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Robert Naiman wrote: > 1. That's not what I mean by saying that it's not the whole story. I mean > that the students might be raising and giving life to legitimate issues, > even if their demand that the instructor be fired is unjust. >
Maybe, but the way they are going about it is very problematic. > 2. How can you say that it's a free speech issue, and yet say that it > wouldn't be a free speech issue if the person were a Nazi or a white > supremacist? Either it's a First Amendment issue or it isn't, either it's a > free speech issue or it isn't, either it's an issue of academic freedom or > it isn't. If it is, then it doesn't matter what the political content is, > right? If you wouldn't defend her if she were a Nazi or an open KKK > admirer, then it's a slam dunk that what the students are doing is fair > game. > It all comes back to drawing lines, doesn't it? You don't shout "Fire!" in a crowded concert hall, and you don't spout racist propaganda in a classroom without consequences. And yes, you do have to make intelligent, subjective, case-by-case judgments about what constitutes "racist propaganda". So what? I thought it was only intellectually lazy libertarians who resort to simplistic and absolute rules without making allowance for specifics of a situation and historical context.. -raghu. On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:04 AM, raghu <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Robert Naiman wrote: > >> I agree 100% that teachers shouldn't be fired for expressing their views >> in class, even if they're racists, even if they're KKK, even if they're >> Nazis. First Amendment, academic freedom, until death. >> > > Actually, I wouldn't go that far at all. If this instructor at Kansas was > out there spouting white-supremacist theories or something like that, I'd > totally understand students demanding that she be disciplined or terminated. > > This is not about some abstract "free speech" principle; rather the merits > of the case simply don't support calls for this instructor's termination. > > > > But: I think it's important to recognize that that might not be the entire >> story. >> > > That's completely irrelevant. This instructor may very well be an awful > person, guilty of all kinds of misconduct and may very well deserve to be > fired. If so, let's see that case being made and we can have that > discussion. > > Right now the issue is a different one: should this instructor be fired > for the reasons these students want her to be fired? I think the answer to > that is clearly no. And the students behavior in this case is extremely > problematic. > -raghu. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > >
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