So? That doesn't mean the statements you could make if
you existed wouldn't be true or false. Even when there
wasn't anybody, say in the first few seconds of the
big bang and for several billion years thereafter, the
proposition "There isn't anybody who can understand
this sentence" was true. Or if you don't like
indexicals, the proposition, "No conscious life
exists" was true.

All the propositions that could ever be exist, though
of course only an infinutesmal fraction of them will
ever be said or thought. In that sense, Ecclesiates
was right: There is no thing new under the sun.

There, Ian, I'm really scary -- I am not only
realistic about maths, I'm realistic about
propositions! Who needs a boringly spare universe? To
hell with this Bauhaus stuff. Fill up the corners with
ornamentation! More bric a brac on the mantelpiece!

jks

--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> if there were no concrete entities, I couldn't make
> statements at all, of either the true or false
> variety.
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine
>
> Daniel Davies  writes:
> I don't think this would be right.  For example, if
> there were no concrete entities, there would still
> be an abstract entity called "the set of all
> concrete entities", and you could make true or false
> statements about it (like "it's an empty set").  If
> you were a Platonist.
>
>  JKS writes: >I don't see what is so problematic
> about the idea of abstract entities.
>
> I wrote:
> I would guess that abstract "entities" don't exist
> separate from concrete entities. Rather, they are
> characteristics of the latter.
>
>


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