right. Am I correct to say that if the working class ruled commodity producing society, values would be used to allocate resources, but under capitalism, prices are used instead? Since values measure social cost (cost to society), the use of prices leads to crises and the like. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine
________________________________ From: PEN-L list on behalf of soula avramidis Sent: Fri 1/14/2005 12:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] power It may be that power is the majority consensus that the bourgeoisie creates via its ideology which then deems necessary the allocation of resources on the basis of profits rather than socially accountable or working class based values. in a sense power is the power of ideology or that which makes the unnecessary for the majority and necessary for the few, necessary for all.. I am saying that socially necessary labor is fundamentally distorted by the class system under capitalism and it is this law that allocates resources. "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't had enough time to participate in -- or even read -- the discussion with Jonathan Nitzan. So I've probably missed something. But I think that the word "power" is one of those words that usually requires some second word to clarify its meaning, as in "market power" or "political power." Otherwise the concept seems pretty vacuous. It also has the problem that the concept of "utility" has in neoclassical economics. You can't figure out what gives an individual utility -- or rather, what they kind of utility they expect to get, _ex ante_ -- except through revealed preference _ex post_, which means that the theory doesn't actually provide any additional information to our understanding of the world (e.g., make a prediction) while assuming that _ex post_ and _ex ante_ are identical. Similarly, you can't tell who or what has more power except when it's used. On the other hand, capital can be quantified in a commodity-producing society (like capitalism). For simplicity, consider only fixed means of production ("capital goods"). You simply add up the different units of heterogeneous capital goods using their prices. You could also use "base year" prices to get an index number of "real capital goods." This doesn't mean that you can derive a neoclassical-style theory of distribution, aggregate production, and growth that involves "capital," but it does mean that capital can be measured and used in social accounting (such as calculating an estimate of the profit rate). What makes it possible is the existence of a commodity-producing society -- and thus of prices. (Of course, such measures only apply by the standards of the commodity-producing society itself. Capital goods' prices only tells us what their worth within that context.) Of course, there are a number of different measures of "capital," each of which can serve different purposes in studying the world. The problem is that power can't be aggregated, since the different heterogeneous types of power don't have prices as far as I can tell. Jim Devine, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine/ ________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! <http://my.yahoo.com> - Try it today!
