Jonathan writes:
>Let me paraphrase Jim Devine in neoclassical terms (find the differences):

>"try selling it [an old PC] on e-Bay! Then, following Keynes' method, state the
price in wage-units. However, that would only indicate its
exchange-value (in terms of marginal utility/marginal productivity
commanded). 
 
>You could also make an old PC from old parts to get an
estimate of its marginal utility / marginal productivity. Since the main
problem with PCs is "moral depreciation" rather than physical
depreciation (after the first 90 days or so) that would give a
first-guess of the PC's marginal utility / marginal productivity."

>I just wonder how we can tell the two stories apart.<

actually, the issue of Marx vs. neoclassical is more complicated. Much of 
neoclassical economics is nothing but a formalization of supply and demand, 
which then is glorified and made into a religion. (Marginal utility is demand, 
marginal productivity is supply -- for product markets.)  Some even apply it on 
the macro-economic level. (Alas, even some "radicals" do so. I remember a paper 
in the RRPE by Frank Thompson which applies the fallacious aggregate production 
function.)

Now, Marx never rejected supply and demand. Rather, he saw it as a distraction. 
A focus on only S&D is a focus on merely the trading of commodities and thus 
suffers from commodity fetishism, which prevents an understanding of the class 
nature of capitalism. But S&D [which Marx understood in a Smithian, not 
Marshallian, way] explained the empirical fluctuations of prices around prices 
of production (centers of gravitation). Forces of supply and demand also helped 
explain why prices of production deviated from values. Even at the basic level, 
demand played a role: a commodity that wasn't in demand wasn't a commodity and 
had no value. 

Now, if you want to reject supply and demand, that's fine. But it's another 
issue. As is the rejection of marginal productivity and marginal utility. The 
latter really add no new information to S&D, while often hurting our 
understanding of them.

>(Many theories can be use without measurement. The question is whether
we can claim that something can and cannot be measured at the same time.)<

Some things can be measured in theory but not in practice. Or one can get a 
first-guess estimate. Almost nothing in social science can be measured exactly. 

JD

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