On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Charles Brown wrote:

> The obvious Warren Commission coverup played a role in causing many>
youth> eventually to question the whole system. For some , like me, it was>
part of> the road to becoming a Marxist. Many people do not have an idea
how> vicious> their government can be.

So They popped JFK because he was going to withdraw from Vietnam? He
was a vicious Cold Warrior who ran on a bogus Missile Gap, and
brought the world to the brink of nuclear war over Cuba. He ordered
his brother Robert to bring terror to Cuba. He was an imperialist in
good standing. This sort of thing makes no sense, Charles.

Doug

^^^^^^
CB: What I say about the JFK makes excellent sense. The "blasé , blasé , oh
, that doesn't make any sense line" is what makes no sense. Leftists
feigning indifference , and worse , using phony disdain to silence other
leftists who investigate clear evidence of giant divisions and fuckups in
the U.S. ruling class goes nowhere with me. 

It's not that he was assassinated by the rabid anti-Communist, anti-Soviet
_wing_ of the US ruling class anticipatorily on Viet Nam withdrawal ,but for
actualized "Cold War treason" : 1) failing to invade Cuba,i.e. losing the
Cuban standoff with the SU and 2) signing the Test Ban treaty with the SU.

Part of the reason, I guess, some don't see these as adequate reasons is
that they underestimate the importance and working class nature of the SU  (
a form of anti-Sovietism), and so don't want to give the SU "credit" for
getting under the imperialists' skins this much. I guess.  Anyway, there's
some element of undeestimating the SU that plays a role.  Nuclear
confrontation was very, very big. It was the biggest political and class
struggle issue. There's a sort of political anmesia about that today.
Understandably, because nuclear standoff has got to really stress people
unconsciously. I can see repressing the memory of it.  

Kennedy was still in the ruling class, but this was a split in the ruling
class. That's big one thing that  makes it something Marxist "cognizable".
This was a frontline class struggle issue in that period.

Note, LBJ invaded the Dominican Republic in 1965. He learned from JFK's
mistake.

For emphasis: this is a class struggle based hypthesis for the Marxists. The
main front of the class struggle in this period was the Cold War. The rabid
wing of the U.S. ruling class ( John Birchers and super anti-commies of all
types) thought of it this way, and that's why Kennedy's failings on those
fronts was a hittable offense.

In general, 60's/70's left discussions of things like COINTELPRO, FBI, red
squads, MLK assassination, Black Panther infiltration and assassination
would have been silenced or ridiculed by todays anti-conspiracy "theory"
arguments. I can't understand how middleaged radicals could forget all the
discussion of government conspriacies on the left from that period, nor how
people could summarize those analyses as politcally incorrect, running afoul
of the "capitalism is a system not policy" principle , etc.

Of course, we investigate and expose spy police wrongdoing on the left !
This is crazy ! Weird , even !  (Even as we make any spies on the central
committee do good work).

Particularly disturbing is that the notion and term "conspiracy theoy"
originated in the monopoly media, and is now picked up wholecloth by the
left.  That makes it bourgeois thinking infecting the left.

I'd be a bit more skeptical and contemplative , "slick" about the meaning of
a message that the "ruling class" puts out conspiracy theory leaks. Think a
little more like "Spy vs Spy", or game theory , whatever.

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