Julio wrote:

There's anger and frustration, lots, but all that will remain
within very "tepid" bounds.  Why?  Because the political system in
Mexico -- in spite of what some ultra-left nuts inside or outside of
Mexico may think on the basis of mental inbreeding or intellectual
onanism -- is not about to collapse.

The dynamics of class struggle following a victory of the "tepid" left
in Mexico is the only thing that could allow those masses of people to
test -- and adjust their minds accordingly -- the real possibilities
offered by the current political system.  Radical preaching won't do
it.  People don't change that way.

Yoshie wrote:

I see two competing projects of
Latin American political and
economic integration: Chavez's and
Lula's.  It would be interesting what
sort of alliance Obrador will make if
he and his supporters win

.... Mexico doesn't have a lot of trade (as a share of GDP) with
Brazil or Venezuela.  That's a reality.  Another (huge) reality is
that Mexico's trade is overwhelmingly with the U.S.  So, he would not
pick fights with the U.S., but he'd be very assertive of Mexico's
national sovereignty...
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And I suppose a third reality which has to be taken into account is that the
Mexican PRD, like the Brazilian PT, may be able to elect their candidates as
President, but their respective legislatures are still firmly controlled by
their political opponents. They can't be expected to enact much progressive
legislation unless this obstacle is removed. Unlike the hapless Venezuelan
bourgeoisie, Lula and Obrador can't count on the voluntary abstention from
the legislative arena of the Brazilian and Mexican bourgeoisies or for them
to engage in recklessly unnecessary coups and other provocative actions
which further antagonize the masses and shrink their support.

Given the PRD's legislative status, what initiatives and alliances would be
open to Obrador, if he were to succeed in his electoral challenge, which
would propel the Mexican "dynamics of the class struggle" forward? I'd be
surprised if the answers to this question bring any sharp differences to
light between Julio, Yoshie, Doug, and Louis, but they might. It would, in
any case, advance the discussion of what is realizable by the Mexican left
in current circumstances.

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