Let's not get personal. Both of you are qualified to offer your information. No need to criticize the personal credentials of the other.
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 08:05:07PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > On 7/28/06, Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Well, you don't know anything about being queer or sexual culture in > > >Iran or Oriental ism. > > > > > >You have to do your homework, first of all. > > > > > >Take a look at this article by Joseph Massad when you get a chance: > > > > > >Joseph Andoni Massad, "Re-Orienting Desire: The Gay International and > > >the Arab World," Public Culture, Volume 14, Number 2, Spring 2002, pp. > > >361-385 > > ><http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/public_culture/v014/14.2massad.html> > > > > > >-- > > >Yoshie > > > > How in the world do you end up lecturing me about Muslim attitudes about > > homosexuality. > > I'm queer, and you aren't. I've read a lot of queer studies, and you haven't. > > > I have spent enough time in Turkey to know that you have to > > keep your homosexual identity a secret and Turkey is a lot more open than > > Egypt or Iran. > > Turkey is a lot more capitalistic and Westernized than anywhere else > in North Africa and West Asia. The more capitalistic and Westernized > a society is, and the larger bourgeois and petit-bourgeois a society > has, its sexual culture is closer to the Western model of thinking in > terms of homo/bi/hetero sexual identities. > > > And I am talking about secular Turkish society, not places > > like Eastern Anatolia. It is a plain fact that YOU CANNOT BE OPENLY GAY > > there. Mossad's article simply says that it is okay to be gay in places > > like Egypt just as long as you are not open about it. > > No, it doesn't. It raises a question: it is desirable to adopt the > Western capitalist model of homo/bi/hetero sexual identities and > demand equal rights based on that or is it better to seek to develop > sexual freedom without adopting such identities? That's essentially > Foucault's question. > > -- > Yoshie > <http://montages.blogspot.com/> > <http://mrzine.org> > <http://monthlyreview.org/> -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
