Sabri's description of the subtle nature of local taboos, make me think about 
the
impossible goal of sending young uneducated kids with power and weapons to a 
place
like Iraq, with the expectation of winning the hearts and minds.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 05:46:09AM -0700, Sabri Oncu wrote:
>
> Pretty accurate I would say. In rural Turkey
> homosexuality is unacceptable but with one
> caviat: if you are male and not the 'penetrated',
> it is okay. You can even tell detailed stories
> about your homosexual experiences to your
> friends. If you are the 'penetrated' male or a
> female, then you are in serious trouble, so you
> better keep it secret. In cities it is more or
> less as Louis described although families usually
> know the situation but keep it as a family secret
> or so they think.
>
> Two exceptions are Istanbul and the tv music
> shows. In certain parts/strata of Istanbul, you
> can be as open as you like, although you do not
> want to act that way outside your domain. Thanks
> to a late popular homosexual singer by the name
> of Zeki Muren, whose fame went beyond Turkey, on
> tv it is okay to show/hint your homosexuality,
> provided that you are a 'penetrated' male singer
> and indeed it pays quite well in many ways
> including bringing you 'fame.' Otherwise, it does
> not pay and may even hurt you if you are a
> female.
>
> In Istanbul and several other cities there are
> many homosexual organizations which are pretty
> active. There even is a revolutionary group/party
> with a central committee and all that, known as
> 'Revolutionary Homosexuals.' The
> non-revolutionary ones last week tried a 'gay
> pride parade' in the province of Bursa, Zeki
> Muren's province, but were stopped by the police
> since a small-owners association whose name may
> be translated as 'Small-owner fans of Bursaspor
> (the footbal (or soccer if you are an American)
> team of the province)', threatened to stop them
> by force.
>
> Life is very exciting here. It is impossible to
> get bored.
>
> Best,
>
> Sabri
>
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