On 8/20/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The problem with this is that the ideology isn't enough, just as progressive
Christianity isn't enough. Liberation theologists with no contact, no direct
attachment, with an active popular movement end up like a lot of progressive
or even Marxist types without such involvement. It ends up being entirely
academic (perhaps even without being in academia).

In the United States, it is Marxists, more often than the religious,
who risk ending up becoming liberation theologians without any base
communities, so to speak.  Almost all religious activists on the Left
I know -- Christian, Muslim, Sikh, whatever* -- are active through
their own congregations of faith and often ecumenically networked with
religious activists of other faiths as well as irreligious activists.
In contrast, many Marxists I know tend to be loose cannons, with no
institution that they can call their home base.

Social democracy (like Marxist-Leninist groups) unfortunately often shares
some characteristics of fascism, such as top-down organization and
nationalism. Of course,  social democracy (like M-Lism)  is NOT fascism.
That's partly because social democracy (when it's at its high point) are
linked to independent labor unions and similar organizations (independent
women's groups, etc.) rather than dealing with organizations that are mere
conveyor belts for the party line (the careers of the parliamentary
politicians, etc.) SD parties also typically don't have to deal with the
kinds of social disintegration that spawn fascism.

What this suggests to me is that even the most progressive-sounding Islamic
political organization could, like the most progressive-sounding Christian
or secular political organization, end up being very top-down and
nationalist, leaning heavily in the fascist direction, if the grass roots
(the rank and file) do not have the autonomy to keep the party organization
honest.

Looking back on the history of state socialism, I'd have to say that
the way socialist states have organized civil society institutions can
be called "corporatist,"** much like the way the Islamic state of Iran
has.  Under formerly and actually existing socialist societies, trade
unions, women's organizations, ethnic organizations, etc. have never
been autonomous.***

I believe that neither Marxism nor any variety of religion should
become the official philosophy of a state.  Instead, I'd suggest
Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy, among other things, as a guiding
spirit:

"To me those who condemn the tumults between the Nobles and the Plebs
seem to be caviling at the very thing that was the primary cause of
Rome's retention of liberty. . . . And they do not realize that in
every republic there are two different dispositions, that of the
people and that of the great men, and that all legislation favoring
liberty is brought about by their dissension" (Chapter IV).

Replace the "Nobles" by leaders and the "Plebs" by masses, and what he
says suggests what we must aim for: to create as much space as
possible for conflicts between leaders and masses in socialist
society, for such conflicts are essential to retention and expansion
of liberty.  The difficulty is to figure out how to do so without
allowing a foreign power to take advantage of such conflicts to
overthrow the socialist state and restore capitalism.

As for social democracy today, perhaps with the exception of
Scandinavia, nowadays the task of establishing new social democracy or
defending existing social democracy mainly falls upon those who are to
the left of social democrats (Marxists, syndicalists, religious
leftists, etc), as social democrats have become neoliberals.

* Jewish leftists appear to me to be an exception here: they tend to
be atheists or at least agnostics, and they tend not to participate in
even secular Jewish community activities.  Perhaps, that is because
most Jewish leftists are either anti-Zionist or non-Zionist whereas
most major Jewish institutions, religious or secular, are dominated by
Zionists.

** IMHO, fascism is a variant of corporatism, though not all
corporatist states are fascist states

*** Venezuela has been a partial exception, but that may be because
the government there has not socialized all means of production there
yet -- only a minority of them have come under state control.
--
Yoshie
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